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To: epicure who wrote (451599)	9/7/2020 10:30:40 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541732

I'm frankly surprised at just how adept Biden has been keeping the factions together. I have the sense the last couple of articles I've posted, while raising serious points, are not really something to worry about. Just journalists needing articles to make a living, finding a topic their editors would publish, and laying it on a bit thick. One of these is on the front page of the NYTimes today about a 2001 trip Biden made to China.

To: epicure who wrote (451599)	9/7/2020 10:47:04 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 541732

"I mean that's partly how we got Trump." That's exactly how we got Trump, as well as today's Republican party of almost pure extremists..

To: epicure who wrote (451599)	9/7/2020 11:43:34 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541732

<<<< Hillary wasn't left enough. There wasn't enough "difference" between her and Trump. She wasn't "exciting">>>> If we didn't get Hillary because she wasn't "exciting" enough then we are really in trouble this time with Biden! Progressives are like the Green Party. They have issues that they find particularly important. Who we vote for is a particularly personal issue and to suggest anyone is an "idiot" because they make the choice they do is ridiculous. You sound angry at Progressives because your candidate lost. Rather than blaming anyone else - you need look no further than Hillary as to the reason Hillary lost. All those counties that flipped after voting twice in support of Obama to vote for trump - didn't make that switch because Progressives didn't vote. They switched because Hillary took their vote for granted. The vote of the working man. ............These votes are going to be hard for the democrats to earn back - but at least it looks like Biden is trying.

To: epicure who wrote (451599)	9/7/2020 1:08:49 PM
From: Alex MG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541732

Let's not forget she was criticized for being "over-prepared" vogue.com >> During the debate, Trump called Clinton out for breaking from campaigning to debate-prep. Unwittingly, he set the stage for perhaps the major mic-drop moment of the debate. “I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And yes, I did,” Clinton said. “And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president. And I think that’s a good thing.” It wasn’t a uniquely Trumpian criticism. The debate “exposed Trump’s lack of preparation,” Meet the Press tweeted mid-show, citing its host Chuck Todd. “But Clinton seemed overprepared at times.” And hours before the debate, MSNBC’s Thomas Roberts asked Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon: “Was there a conscious effort not to overprepare your candidate to avoid looking stiff or robotic in this big moment?” Fallon didn’t bite. “I think she does a lot of preparation because she takes this platform seriously,” he said, “and she thinks she owes it to the voters to take it seriously.” Preach, Mr. Fallon. First of all, overprepared is not a word, at least according to my online dictionary searches. Second, since when is knowing one’s stuff a mortal sin? Especially when it comes to a presidential debate, one of the main events leading up to the election of a new leader of the free world, is there such a thing as overpreparedness? This is not an effortless, “I woke up like this” kind of moment. And why, as Roberts suggested, must rigorous preparation equate to Clinton being cold and stiff? In the case of Clinton, the first woman major-party presidential nominee to step on the debate stage, turning preparation into some sort of burn also seemed to raise the old Tracy Flick trope: “Yuck, a woman so ambitious, she stayed up late studying the facts? Why couldn’t she roll up 10 minutes before and ace it, bro?” As @LOLGOP tweeted, "I'd guess that most of the women who've waited centuries for a female president appreciate that the first woman nominee prepared.".............