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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: i-node who wrote (193008)	2/3/2021 7:44:53 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 361667

Um, right. Wasn't the Illuminati involved too? What about the Elders of Zion? And exactly how was absentee balloting used to steal the election?

To: i-node who wrote (193008)	2/3/2021 8:51:56 PM
From: Sam	3 Recommendations Recommended By bentway J_F_Shepard Wharf Rat Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361667

There is no doubt it was stolen, and I hope there is an honest investigation, but I’m not convinced there is a single honest Democrat left in the country to participate. You can’t name one. Gee, maybe Kris Kobach of Kansas can investigate. He did the last one, remember? The one Trump said would show he really won the 2016 popular by millions of votes and "everyone knows it"? I wonder what happened to that investigation. Oh yeah, they disbanded after finding about a dozen or two illegal votes, mostly just errors and at least some of them voted for Trump, not Clinton. I wonder where node gets his line "Everyone knows it" [that the election was stolen]. Why, it is the same line that Trump always uses! What a coincidence! Could it be that node and Trump are the same person? Or is it just that node is so far gone that he has to crib his lines from his hero, The Donald? Such a fountain of truth and honesty, that node is.

To: i-node who wrote (193008)	2/4/2021 9:42:23 AM
From: Lane3	2 Recommendations Recommended By bentway Eric L Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 361667

That is, Mark Zuckerberg, David Plouffe, and municipal leaders in Atlanta, Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee, conspiring to use mail in voting as a political weapon to steal the election. There are two different aspects of fixing an election. --One is to actually mess with the votes during the process, which is voter fraud. --The other is in setting up the process so that it favors your team. I think it's important to differentiate. In the case of this election, there were lots of cries of voter fraud but the official conclusion was that there was virtually none. Despite all the suspicion and perceived anomalies, there was nothing there. However, there were issues with the process. For a very long time we have had those who pushed to get out the vote. Remember the League of Women Voters? There were public service messages to register and to vote, everyone. Meanwhile, there were over those years efforts at voter suppression dating back to poll taxes and jelly beans by those who only wanted the "right people" to vote. That effort is still underway amongst the Republicans. So, you take something like mail-in voting. Republicans oppose it. Do they oppose it because it may increase the number of "wrong people" voting or because it is not secure? Do the Democrats favor it because it's the right thing to do, the Constitutional thing, or because those "wrong people" are more likely to vote for them? On principal, the D's, whatever their intent, are on the right side, the American side, of this. Everyone qualified to vote according to the Constitution should be encouraged and enabled to vote. So, if you're complaining that the election was stolen, it cannot be on the basis of fraud, which did not occur, but instead on the basis of Republican voter suppression efforts having been undermined and upended by covid. Tough break. Best laid plans and all that...