SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: i-node who wrote (193203)2/6/2021 10:51:43 AM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 362740
 
Time Magazine explains how it was stolen today.
I wonder, what do you think about the banding together of important social medial platforms in a coordinated effort to take down a president?...

I believe that was covered in the Time version of that story.

I checked back to see what the story had to say about that:

...But Trump’s lies and conspiracy theories, the viral force of social media and the involvement of foreign meddlers made disinformation a broader, deeper threat to the 2020 vote....

...The solution, she concluded, was to pressure platforms to enforce their rules, both by removing content or accounts that spread disinformation and by more aggressively policing it in the first place. “The platforms have policies against certain types of malign behavior, but they haven’t been enforcing them,” she says.

Quinn’s research gave ammunition to advocates pushing social media platforms to take a harder line....
First of all, the language you use in framing the question: "to take down a president." There is a difference between taking down a president, getting a sitting president out of office, and trying to avoid his re-election. One might reasonably frame impeachment as an attempt to take down a president. But when he's running for re-election, he's a candidate just like the opposition candidate. He's not the default. He has no special standing. One tries to defeat the opposition candidate, which is entirely different from taking down a president. The opposition candidate and the president may be the same person but they are wearing different hats and have different standing. You're acting like something was taken from him when that something, a second term, was as yet unearned.

Likewise, you used the word, "stolen." As Brumar said, if there was no fraud, there was no steal. The Times article didn't speak to fraud.

Now to the substance of your question. It seems to me that countering misinformation and disinformation is an elemental part of any political campaign and always has been. There are always dueling narratives about the candidates. Candidates promote theirs and rebut those of their opponents. That's what's supposed to happen. The only thing that seems to me to be at issue here is rebuttal being potentially complemented by or extended into suppression.

I'm working off the top of my head here. I may just not have noticed but that seems to me to be somewhat new. Anyone, please feel free to correct/remind me. Historically, campaign pronouncements came either directly and unfiltered from the candidate/campaign during personal appearances. Or they also came through the media and the media have always functioned as curators, which admits elements of suppression. So the question would be whether the curation that was done in this case via the actions of the social media platforms, encouraged by the opposition forces, were different from or greater than traditional curation in a way that was not cricket.

Shifting gears for a moment to narratives about the election. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong because this is something I've never actively considered before. It seems to me that in this election the bulk of the misinformation and disinformation was not about the candidates, any more than the usual back-and-forth puffery and trash talk, but what was new was disinformation about the election. It seems to me that said disinformation is out of bounds on its face and the niceties of dealing with it don't apply.

Back to the candidates and the niceties and your question. I do get bothered with edging into suppression, in general. I have no reservations about suppression wrt disinformation re elections that undermine the commonweal. Trump's opposition would be remiss in their duty to not counter the disinformation about the election, at a minimum. I would only get itchy with suppression wrt the candidate's presentation of his candidacy--what he has to offer and rebuttal of what the other candidate claims to offer. I don't know how much of that happened. Mostly I saw election disinformation.

As for the curation, it seems to me that getting the platforms to enforce their rules is no different from lobbying a newspaper wrt its coverage of the election, as has long been done. That this particular lobby was extended and strong does not seem relevant to me. There is not a difference in kind, only in degree.

I don't participate in Twitter or Facebook so I don't have much of a grounding. This is rather a first draft of my thinking on the issue of the role of the platforms, in general, and it may well adjust over time.