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To: BDR who wrote (29)2/4/1998 11:38:00 AM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 1016
 
Dale, I have tolerated quietly your Urological mumbo jumbo for the past 7 months only because I have assumed that you are a good will
Urologist with a limited experience with MUSE and that with time you would have more data and come out with a more opinion.Unfortunately this has not occurred and here you are continuing to spout forth PERSONAL, SUBJECTIVE, UNSUBSTAMTIATED OPINIONS that you are parleying as facts and are asking that investors follow these uninformed opinions.If you were an Academician in good standing ( which you are not as far as I know ) I might listen to you longer, but under these circumstances I am not . Here is a list of your pseudo-scientific
expounding ( lifted in toot from your own writings) for which this pseudo-thread and the real Vivus 1997/1998 thread want some REAL answers :

-"In my practice ": How big IS your practice Dale? 15 patients?

-"In my practice there is almost zero interest in MUSE at this time. It doesn't look like that will change until Viagra is on the market a while and patients have had a chance to try it themselves. ": WHAT in
creation does THIS mean Dale? Are you taking anti depressants or is this just bad English?

-"The attractiveness of a pill over a urethral suppository seems to be overwhelming." : REALLY!!!!!!Is this your new insight into life Dale or did you read this somewhere? Most of us are not aware that Americans prefer a pill to surgery or even a suppository.Any little help you can give us in understanding the human mind is appreciated.

-"but my experience suggests ": not to belabor the point: WHAT IS your experience Dale: How many patients? Have you run a similar study
as the NEJM? You are just shy and want to keep this incognito? If so I would urge to please publish your data ( at least in this thread if you are afraid they are so garbled they won't pass peer review).

-"Those long VVUS underestimate the degree of dissatisfaction patients have with MUSE. ": WHERE is the data Dale? Your practice again?

If you are too lazy Dale to review the literature and become an informed physician ( maybe that is why your patients don't do too well with MUSE: You have not spent enough time educating them on it's use ), here is what Tom Lue senior investigator of both MUSE and Viagra has to say about MUSE as recently as Feb 98; ( for thread readers, Dr Lue is reviewing a recent book by DrDePalma ) :

The Journal of

UROLOGY

Volume 159 February 1998 Number 2,Page 612

Vascular Surgery for Impotence: A Review

By R.G.DE PALMA, University of Nevada School of Medicine, Department of Veterans Affairs, Reno, Nevada Int. J. Impotence Res., 9: 61-67, 1997

Dr Lue's review:

Progress in treatment of impotence in the past two decades has resulted in impressive advances. While most men respond to medical therapy including prostaglandin El injection or the more recent use of urethral alprostadil, 6-7% of men fail to respond to these treatments or vacuum devices. This review considers current and past results of vascular surgery in this group of men. Guidelines for case selection for vascular interventions as well as reporting criteria are suggested. Vascular surgery as a logical first step in selected patients may offer an advantage in men failing conservative therapy and for those not desiring prosthetic implantation.

Dr.Lue's Editorial Comment: Presently, vascular surgery is indicated only in younger patients whose impotence is a result of localized arterial occlusion secondary to pelvic or perineal trauma. Many patients older than 55 years have generalized atherosclerosis and the results of vascular surgery have been disappointing. In addition to arterial insufficiency, long-term vascular disease often causes smooth muscle atrophy, fibrosis and endothelial dysfunction and results in penile venous leakage. External vacuum devices, intracavernous injection or penile prosthesis has been the standard treatment for these patients. Researchers should take advantage of molecular biology techniques to investigate and develop better strategies for the prevention and treatment of vascular disease. If these measures can prevent restenosis of blood vessels, then vascular surgery may become a useful therapy in all patients with vasculogenic impotence.

Tom F. Lue, M.D.,Editor.

( PS note that DrLue hasn't said a word about Viagra here ).

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Bottom line Dale if you want me to read your posts, next time you post on "your practice',"your patients", please ADD, how many patients, what was the etiology fo their impotence, what was their comorbidity, what other drugs were they on, age, what dose of MUSE did you try, did they get the needle or did they refuse that too; also TELL us how well were they being cared for by your medical team, ( a LOUSY support medical team that doesn't control your patients' diabetes, hypertension, emhysema, congestive heart failure, coronary artery disese, etc etc ): in one of your posts 8 months ago you said something about working ?in a removed aerea. If you don't have an expert MEDICAL support team to take care of comorbidity ( other diseses in addittion to ED ), then it is unlikely that the patient's ED will respond well to MUSE.Maybe you should move to a more centrally located aerea with better medical support.

TA



To: BDR who wrote (29)2/4/1998 1:57:00 PM
From: Dan'l Leviton  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1016
 
FWIW, I now put the odds of 16 before 8 at about 7-to-1.
The current trading range is tighter than the tuxedo I got married in.

Dan'l



To: BDR who wrote (29)2/4/1998 11:51:00 PM
From: BigKNY3  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1016
 
Dale: Dr. Tom Lue is one of the most respected ED investigators in the world. He has studied both MUSE vivus.com and Viagra.

During the 1996 and 1997 AUA meetings, Dr. Lue expressed his thoughts about Viagra to the media. Moreover, during the 1997 meeting he presented the results of a Viagra study on 416 patients conducted at 22 sites. Listed below are summaries of Dr. Lue's comments.

BigKNY3

pslgroup.com
Safety and Efficacy Data Presented on Pfizer Oral Drug for Impotence
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NEW YORK, May 6, 1996-- According to data presented today at the
American Urological Association annual meeting, a new oral medicine
helped the majority of men with male erectile dysfunction (MED), or
impotence, in three clinical trials.

Impotence affects an estimated 140 million men worldwide, although it is believed that this condition is vastly underreported. Over half of all
impotence cases are believed to have physical causes such as diabetes, or circulatory, neurological, or urological conditions. Current
impotence therapies include implants and injections.

International experts including Pfizer scientists at the AUA meeting
reported data on Viagra, (sildenafil), Pfizer's novel oral drug in
late-stage development, from three double-blind, randomized, controlled studies involving men with MED of no known cause. Among the highlights of their findings are:

-- The drug was well tolerated in a four-week dose-controlled trial of
351 men. Of the patients who received Viagra in this study, 65 percent, 79 percent, and 88 percent reported improved erections on respective doses of 10mg, 25mg, and 50mg, compared with 39 percent of the patients who received the placebo.

-- In a 28-day study of 43 patients, Viagra improved the quality of
erections of 92 percent of patients taking the drug. When the same
patients received a placebo, only 27 percent responded;

-- In another study, ten out of 12 MED patients given Viagra over the
course of 7 days reported an improvement in erections. When the same patients took placebo, two of twelve responded.

The researchers additionally presented data on Viagra's mechanism of
action. The drug enhances the natural response to sexual stimulation by blocking the effect of an enzyme, phosphodiesterase-5, effectively
increasing blood flow to the penis. Blood flow to the penis is necessary
for an erection.

"Impotence has a major, and sometimes devastating, psychological and social impact on patients and their partners," said George M. Milne, president of Pfizer Central Research. "Effective drugs currently
available involve injections and for that reason have not been widely
accepted. Viagra, because it is a pill and enhances the normal sexual
response, offers advantages to these patients in terms of both
convenience and safety."

"This is one of the most exciting new developments in the clinical
research for erectile dysfunction," said Tom F. Lue, M.D., Professor or
Urology at The University of California, San Francisco. "If further
clinical trials prove its efficacy and safety, it may be a dream come
true for many patients who are looking for a magic pill to improve their
erection."
__________________________________
Barrons 2/24/97: Investors are hot about impotence treatments; will new techniques cool their ardor?"At a conclave of the American Urological Association starting April 12 in New Orleans, Dr. Tom Lue, a urology professor at the University of California at San Francisco, will report on the Phase III trial of sildenafil, a pill Pfizer hopes to market under the name Viagra.

The drug will be as revolutionary as was the birth control pill, predicts Padma-Nathan: ''It may put me out of business.'' Taken 20 minutes before intercourse, sildenafil selectively relaxes the blood vessels of the penis, producing a rigid erection.

European studies found it worked in 80%-90% of patients with psychological impotence.Padma-Nathan has tested the pill on diabetics, prostate surgery patients and patients with vascular disease. He's seen it work in up to 70% of those organically impotent patients. Side effects appear milder than with either Caverject or Muse. Dr. Pierre Wicker, at Pfizer, says that about 4,300 men will have been tested on it when Pfizer submits a new-drug application later this year. Approval times are unpredictable, but the FDA approved Muse just eight months after submission."
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Dr. Tom Lue of San Francisco presented efficacy, safety, and toleration data on 416 patients from 22 sites during an 8 week double-blinded study at the 1997 AUA meeting.

The study tested 4 strengths of sildenafil vs placebo given 1 hr before anticipated sexual activity. The erectile dysfunction of the men were assessed as 73% organic, 9% psychogenic, and 18% mixed.

Efficacy was assessed by a self-administered questionnaire at week 8. Safety and toleration were evaluated by routine lab tests and recording of adverse events.

The following results are highly statistically significant with a p value of <0.0001

Sildenafil
question....... placebo.........5mg ......... 25mg..........50mg.........100mg

GAQ (%yes).... 27.7............ 47.7......... 60.9........... 72.9 ......... 77.8
Q3 (mean)...... 2.00........... 2.69.......... 2.93........... 3.28 ......... 3.69
Q4 (mean)...... 2.05............ 2.40.......... 2.95........... 3.32........ 3.60

GAQ = Global Assessment Score: "Did treatment improve your erections?"

Q3 : ability to achieve erection (1 to 5)
Q4: ability to maintain erection satisfactory for sexual intercourse (1 to 5)

Responses to Q3 and Q4 were graded on a scale from 1 (almost never or never) to 5 (almost always or always). The mean responses are listed in the table above.

Responses to other questionnaire questions showed "similar dose-response relationships for other aspects of erectile and sexual functioning".

The most common adverse effects were headache (2.4-11%), vasodilation (0-8.5%), dyspepsia (0-8.5%), and diarrhea (0-4.9%). These ae's were predominantly of mild severity.

"CONCLUSION: The results indicate that sildenafil is an effective, well-tolerated oral treatment for patients with erectile dysfunction associated with a broad range of etiologies."
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Dr. Lue was interviewed by WLS (ABC) television in Chicago (shown on May 5, 1997) and commented:

"It's remarkable because we didn't really think a pill would actually work for this problem. Because normally, you take a pill, it goes to all parts of the body. And this particular one actually works on the penis.

"If this medication works, like it shows so far, with minimal side effects, it's going to make most of the men with impotence or erection problems, much, much better."