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To: maceng2 who wrote (172208)5/23/2021 6:04:01 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217557
 
Following up to Message 33331366 , a possibly incoherent post of mumble spliced w/ jumbo, and taking the following two items into deliberation

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/amazon-information-goldman-initiaties-crypto-sees-ethereum-overtaking-bitcoin
""The Amazon Of Information": Goldman Initiates On Crypto, Sees Ethereum Overtaking Bitcoin"

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinese-cryptoexchange-huobi-suspends-some-services-stops-miner-hosting-services
"Chinese Cryptoexchange Huobi Suspends Some Services, Stops Miner Hosting Services"

I note that Ethereum mining by China-domiciled crypto works is also plentiful, as in the case of Bitgold, and ... well ... if we wish to subscribe to any conspiracy theory, what would the details be?

Maybe ... China wants to crater (rare earths, whatever, etc) bitcoin and ethereum pricing so as to discourage others from picking up weapon China already has, by making them lose immediate money should pretenders to competition engage in investing to mine

and / or ... China no longer wishes to export bitcoin, and easier to encourage hoarding if items to be hoarded are priced lower.

Dunno. Something is up, and maybe it is all save-the-climate-related.

Fun dwelling, especially w/r to Casper, in the wings. The Go game is complicated at 2-dimensional board but if at 3-dimension cube, then ...

forbes.com

The ‘Chinese Mining Centralization’ Of Bitcoin And Ethereum
Roger Huang
10:32am EST

Dec 29, 2020,|50,704 views



A worker uses a handheld cleaning tool to clean application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) ... [+]
© 2019 Bloomberg Finance LPDecentralization means different things for different people. It can also be applied to a variety of different variables, from the technological to the cultural. How much of bitcoin’s cultural aesthetic is what keeps block size (within the network) or the number of bitcoins fixed? How much of decentralization is the technical balance between miners, nodes, and other stakeholders in the network that accords each different powers and responsibilities?

An increasingly common argument among those criticizing the decentralization of proof-of-work systems is the centralization brought by lower hardware and electricity costs and the high degree of mining hash rate concentrated in “Chinese” mining pools. This has, for example, been a long-standing thread that has been pushed by Ripple CEO Brad Garlinghouse, with the Ripple team also making allegations that both ethereum (in its current proof-of-work consensus algorithm) and bitcoin are controlled by China as a result of the mining pool concentration.

The first thing to understand about this argument is that mining pools command loyalty not based on geographic traits or even political ones, but rather, reward types, fees, and how the pool deals with bitcoin transaction fees.

Mining pools might have a geographic base, but miners that pledge their hardware and their hash rate might not and can switch their loyalty depending on a host of factors. It’s important then to look at the hash rate of a mining pool not as one monolithic bloc that can be controlled and manipulated at will, but rather as a marketplace or as an aggregator that commands a fickle amount of loyalty. At any given time, if the rewards and technical conditions of mining pools change, there can be a shift towards mining pools based in Europe or North America — or anywhere else in the world.

Mining pools based in China are also running contrary to state policy. The People’s Republic of China has a skeptical view towards bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. This included concrete policy such as the central government asking local governments to step out of bitcoin mining.

Everything from energy usage to dissident activity has been cited as reasons to cut down power supplies to bitcoin miners. Several bitcoin miners have actually left the country as a result and looked to seek refuge in countries like Canada. In a sense, this is a more philosophical and general argument, but it speaks to how peoples are not tied exclusively to their states despite what those states would lead you to believe.

Chinese bitcoin mining pools and bitcoin miners are acting as a sort of dissent within the Chinese political system. While some local governments may support them, the central government in China has strongly embraced blockchain and its own central bank digital currency (DCEP) while shunning cryptocurrencies. Miners themselves are highly nomadic within China, with many shifting from different regions depending on the weather and its implications for electricity rates.

While their incentives may not be bereft of financial interest (and in fact, are probably principally motivated by money), to blame the mining pools for being based in a certain nation and being controlled or blindly loyal to a government flies in the face of the facts on the ground. Mining pools are more loyal to whichever incentives help them make more value. Miners in turn are loyal to whichever pool supports their stance on bitcoin and their best rewards.

Bitcoin miners derive value from bitcoin and other proof-of-work cryptocurrencies — if the health of these networks would decline, then the fixed investments they would have made in ASIC mining equipment would be worthless. Their interests are aligned to the bitcoin network and this plays a larger role in their decisions from what to do during a fork to where they put their hash rate.

Miners are also not the only institutions that matter in the balance of proof-of-work blockchains. Nodes are run around the world. The coders that build up the framework of cryptocurrencies are distributed around the world, with US-based institutions such as cryptocurrency exchanges and non-for-profits like the Human Rights Foundation providing funding.

There’s a careful checks and balance in any proof-of-work built from a cultural aesthetic towards decentralization that involves different stakeholders — no one group can shape the complete destiny of proof-of-work based cryptocurrencies like bitcoin.

Yet, the idea of geographical centralization is a concern, albeit one that has been exaggerated by those who want to paint bitcoin and ethereum in a certain light. It is factually correct to say that Chinese bitcoin mining pools control a large amount of the hash rate that powers bitcoin, for example. A study in 2019 estimated that there was about 65% of the hash rate within China itself. This was largely due to cheap hydroelectricity (especially in areas such as Sichuan), and close connections between hardware manufacturers based in China and mining pools/miners with the best claim to established relationships.

Yet with the establishment of stable capital markets around bitcoin mining (with certain companies having gone public), bitcoin mining has the potential to be more globally distributed and decentralized from geographical risk. As hardware supply chains and global power distribution come into question with warnings of “decoupling” economies, it’s entirely possible that this shift will help auger a more distributed bitcoin and cryptocurrency mining network, helping allay the threat of centralized geographies.

In a debate mirrored from geopolitics, the idea of “Made in China” vs. elsewhere has come to rest with globally distributed proof-of-work networks. Yet the analogues are not perfect because miners tend to be more loyal to the network rather than the state, more loyal to electricity prices and fees than anything else.

An effort to solve the geographic centralization problem in mining hardware is to be applauded and is well under way — and can be helped with stable regulations, capital markets, and lower electricity prices as well as changes in hardware supply chains from anywhere in the world.

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To: maceng2 who wrote (172208)5/23/2021 6:41:43 PM
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More food for thought, while taking in breakfast this day



... that makes me more enthusiastic to be with Team Casper, and possibly going against Teams Bitcoin and Ethereum, but particularly Ethereum, as that team is not only mined much in China, owned much elsewhere, but has to change armour in the middle of battle, from Proof of Work mining to Proof of Stake capital, with all the attendant hassles of development and migration by all participants (PoW miners, PoS validators, dApp developers, users, hodlers, etc etc) of that eco system. Bum-rushed evolution is complicated.

Loot or be looted, how should we choose?

Crypto Cambrian period shall end and if typical, by mass extinction, and the digital Ordovician era shall take over from the residual mess.

Bitcoin and Ethereum are mostly mined in China and owned / used in the USA. Pay no attention to the boring factoid.

What animal is Casper?

ethernodes.org





financemagnates.com

Does China Control Bitcoin and Ethereum?

BTC's mining power is highly concentrated in China. Should crypto users be concerned?

Rachel McIntosh
Friday, 28/02/2020 | 13:10 GMT+2

China’s relationship with Bitcoin has long been complicated.

Prior to the set of sweeping bans that the government place on the industry in late 2017, the country stood as the nation with the highest BTC trading volume in the world; since the bans–which shut down domestic cryptocurrency exchanges and ended domestic ICOs, among other things–the country has still played a crucial role on the Bitcoin network in the form of hash power.

“Hash power” is the amount of computing power that is needed to solve cryptographic equations on the Bitcoin network. These equations stand as the basis for Bitcoin’s consensus mechanism–software that securely adds and confirms transactions onto Bitcoin’s ledger. Bitcoin’s consensus mechanism model is known as “Proof of Work.”

The process of solving these equations and adding the transactions onto the ledger is called mining–it is executed by individuals and companies that have roomfuls of elaborate and expensive equipment entirely devoted to solving these equations. In exchange for the cost of energy and equipment that these “miners spend to set up their “rigs”, they receive “block rewards” in the form of Bitcoins.

BTC’s mining power is centralized in China–but is that really an issue?It is a well-known fact that the majority of hash power on the Bitcoin network is produced in China, and has been for quite some time. In December 2019, CoinShares Research reported that indeed, as much as 65 percent of BTC’s hash power resides in China.

However, earlier this month, Brad Garlinghouse, Ripple’s chief executive officer, made a rather controversial remark said CNN–one that seemed to imply that some force located within the country–either a conglomerate of miners or perhaps even the government itself–had strategically supported the building of the BTC mining industry in China so that the nation would somehow be in charge of Bitcoin’s blockchain.

“China… they really, through mining power control the Bitcoin blockchain,” Garlinghouse commented. “You have four miners in China that represent something like 60% plus of the mining capacity,” he continued.

Garlinghouse also mentioned that mining power on the Ethereum (ETH) network, which supports the second-largest cryptocurrency by market cap, is centralized in China. “80 percent of the mining capacity is based in China for both Bitcoin and Ether.”

“So, in many ways, I think China has been incredibly strategic about how they think about that,” he said.

A number of critics fired back on Twitter, target Garlinghouse’s use of the word “miners” instead of the phrase “mining pools”, which may have been more accurate.

Is there any truth to Garlinghouse’s claims? And even if China isn’t trying to take over Bitcoin and Ethereum, what risks does centralization pose to these networks?

Distribution of hash power is mainly between five entities, according to TokenAnalystAccording to recent research, it would seem that Garlinghouse is correct in his claims–at least about Bitcoin. The Bitcoin network’s hash power is centralized among several players in China is basically correct–although there isn’t much evidence to suggest that these mining entities are working together, or that the Chinese government is somehow using them to its advantage.

Indeed, research firm TokenAnalyst published a report in late January entitled “Centralisation in Bitcoin Mining: A Data-Driven Investigation”, in which it disclosed that “in 2020, bitcoin has also become a highly centralized system that places an increasing amount of trust in a small number of large entities.”

Specifically, this “small number of large entities” includes Antpool, Btc.com, Btc.top, F2pool, and Viabtc. According to Crunchbase, Antpool is based in China and owned by Bitmain, which is also based in China; BTC.com is headquartered in the Netherlands but is also “a part of” Bitmain. Btc.top is based in Shanghai, ViaBTC is based in Shenzhen, and F2Pool is based in Beijing.

All five of these companies operate under the umbrella of BitDeer, a company that sells customers hashrate out of each of the five pools. Tokenanalyst’s report said that as of “27th January 2020, these 5 mining entities controlled 49.9% of the hashrate of the bitcoin network.”



Interestingly, the report also noted that “BitDeer announced a partnership with chip manufacturer Bitmain…who, by agreeing to collaborate, have a powerful way to ensure their AntMiner line of products are used by a cabal of major mining pools at a time when they appeared to be struggling.”

“[Because of] the level of co-operation and trust required to operate this mining model between the mining pools, Bitmain and BitDeer blurs the line between distinct entities.” In other words, Bitmain may be playing a larger role in holding power over these mining entities than it may seem at first glance.


Source: TokenAnalystThe source of Ethereum’s hash power, however, is a little less well-researched. However, there has been evidence to suggest that hash power on the network is quite centralized, but not necessarily that the majority of Ethereum’s mining power is produced in China.

Money, money, moneyWhy is so much of BTC’s hash power being produced in China? The answer may come down to nothing more than cost.

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Jake Yocom-Piatt, Co-Founder & Project Lead for cryptocurrency project Decred.org, told Finance Magnates that “the pattern has been that most miners are located in China because of economies of scale present within China and South East Asia.”


Jake Yocom-Piatt, Co-Founder & Project Lead for Decred.org.Indeed, Yocom-Piatt explained that this region of the world “is where most of the GPUs and ASICs in use are fabricated.” GPUs and ASICs are pieces of hardware that are integral to Bitcoin mining.

“Since both Bitcoin and Ethereum have pure Proof-of-Work consensus systems, they are subject to the indirect centralization that results from the fabrication process for GPUs and ASICs,” Yocom-Piatt explained. “Only a handful of facilities around the world can manufacture GPUs and ASICs, which drives centralization of the operation of the ICs being fabricated.”

Additionally, the country offers “low prices for electricity (often in remote locations), it is cheaper to build, maintain and staff facilities in China.”

CoinShares’ December report also found that specifically, Bitcoin miners in China’s Sichuan region are responsible for 54 percent of the network’s global hash rate. This may be due to Sichuan’s rainy season, which, through hydroelectric power generators, produces more energy than the region can use.

“Bitcoin mining companies are officially prohibited but are tolerated in the Sichuan province during the wet seasons when hydropower stations generate more electricity than is required, utilizing the excess energy thanks to East Asia’s plum rain,” a CoinTelegraph report explained. This becomes an issue during the dry season when miners take more than their share of electricity.

Is centralization a legitimate security concern?But how much should Bitcoin users be concerned about the fact that so much of the network’s hash power is being produced in just one country?

There are, of course, geographical and geopolitical concerns: after all, reports emerged earlier this month that Chinese authorities have been shutting down Bitcoin mining farms to contain the spread of the Coronavirus.

Beyond that, though, over-centralization can lead to “51% Attacks”–which is to say that if a single entity or a coordinated group of entities have control of more than half of the hash power on a blockchain, they can use that hash power to erase and rewrite transactions on a blockchain, which can effectively destroy a network.

However, it doesn’t seem like the possibility of a 51% Attack by Chinese mining entities is on the horizon.

“This fact is not as alarming as people make it out to be, though, for the following reasons. A spokesperson from cryptocurrency education firm CryptoVantage told Finance Magnates that “China [itself] is not directly in control of all of those computers.”

“It is not the case that China has a harness or a method of driving these computers,” the spokesperson explained. “So the network is not under the threat of a 51% attack like many people like to think.”

Olga Feldmeier, chief executive of security token exchange firm Smart Valor, also commented during an interview with Finance Magnates in 2018 that she is not concerned about centralization on the Bitcoin network.

“To be honest, I used to be really worried about it–about two years ago, I was really checking the numbers to see which pool is connected to which pool and if they would ever reach 51 percent, [wondering] ‘will I lose all my Bitcoins?’”, she said.


Olga Feldmeier, chief executive of Smart Valor.“But the way the Bitcoin network functions, there are certain incentives in the system,” she said, explaining that it’s not in the best interest of mining pools to manipulate the Bitcoin network. “All those miners, at the end of the day, their business depends upon this network being alive and working.”

“If they collude, and kill it, there will be no future avenues and no future business for them.”

Is a change in consensus mechanism the only way out of centralization?And while the alarm bells over-centralization may have been rung once again in recent months, there are a number of analysts who will argue that centralization has been a problem since the beginning of Bitcoin–and will remain an issue as long as Bitcoin has a Proof-of-Work consensus mechanism.

“Bitcoin is roughly as centralized now as it was years ago when I showed up to the space in early 2013,” Jake Yocom-Piatt commented. Today, “a few ASICs manufacturers make all the miners, several Chinese outfits dominate the network hash rate, and several developers dominate the core software development process,” just as they did seven years ago.

Yocom-Piatt believes that if anything, the network has become more centralized: “a notable change with centralization in Bitcoin is that there used to be a narrative that Proof-of-Work (PoW) had sovereignty in the network, and this has since been replaced with the narrative that only developers and full node operators have sovereignty.”

Therefore, he believes that “the only way to make mining fairer (and more decentralized) is to use Proof-of-Stake (PoS),” another kind of consensus mechanism that doesn’t rely on purchasing and running roomfuls of expensive equipment in order to confirm transactions and earn rewards.

However, Yocom-Piatt sees an issue with pure PoS mechanisms, too, a factor that led his own project, as well as the Ethereum network, to develop blended consensus mechanisms that use aspects of both PoW and PoS.

“The trouble with pure PoS consensus systems is that they reward people for doing very little and become an entitlement system,” he explained. “They also have stability issues because there is ‘nothing at stake’ when choosing a particular block to mine on. This is what led us to blend PoW and PoS in Decred.”

“PoW is meritocratic and irreversible,” he argued. “PoS is feudal and reversible. If you combine the two (PoW/PoS) you get a system that is part feudal, part meritocratic and irreversible. When PoW launches with Bitcoin, it was fairer than anything else out there, but that was quickly gamed. Now PoW is the least fair, followed by PoS, followed by hybrid PoW-PoS models.”

What are your thoughts on centralization on the Bitcoin network? Do you believe that mining pools in China hold too much power? Let us know in the comments below.