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To: Pugs who wrote (40375)	2/4/1998 1:46:00 PM
From: tonto	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

Pugs, without the inclusion of religion as a cause of wars, you eliminate a large part of history. >>>My point....wars are fought for 2 reasons. military & economic

To: Pugs who wrote (40375)	2/4/1998 1:52:00 PM
From: PC11	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 55532

<OFF TOPIC> While we're on the subject of vet's, my father passed away a week ago today. Paratrooper in WWII, recipient of a purple heart and bronze star (he never mentioned this to anyone). I already miss him terribly. May he RIP.

To: Pugs who wrote (40375)	2/4/1998 2:25:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 55532

Pugs... you have to separate the tools of war from those wielding them. The armed forces exist solely to carry out the political will of their leaders. The leaders for the most part are guided by economic necessities which they cover up with flowering talk and high-powered calls to patriotic duty. As for religion, I know of no faith that advocates mankind making war on one another as a matter of course. However, history is ladened with the stories of men you opted to interpret their actions as those of the "faithful". Yes there are Biblical examples such as the destruction of the Cananites, but it has been far too easy and convenient for people to blame man's brutal actions as an act condoned by his God. As for Vietnamese history, you may want to dig a little further. I seem to remember a little something about hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese fleeing to the south when the country was partitioned. I guess that they were for "Uncle Ho" as well?? I seem to recall the activities of the N.Vietnamese in supporting the Pathet Lao and stringing their "trail" (if you can call paved roads and a fuel pipeline a trail) through lands in which US forces were forbidden to go. I also seem to recall the Viet Cong being essentially wiped out as a military force after the '68 Tet offensive. Actions subsequent to that typically involved N.Vietnamese regulars. That kind of sounds like an invasion to me since we weren't physically invading the north (just bombing the hell out of it). As for Ms. Tucker... You're right. We should have just slapped her lightly on the wrist, hugged her and told her: "I love you, but I don't love what you did to those two innocent people who's lives you have stolen" ... give her a cookie and some warm milk and send her off to the corner for "time out". Geezus... all this "touchy-feely" psycho-babble is giving me the friggin' willies... It's a rough world out there and the only reason any of us have rights is because we have the laws to preserve social order and respect for one another. Pugs, it is because of people like you that we have this constant self-flagellation of US sociey. But there seems to be no end to those who long for more freedom than they currently enjoy under the local masters and find it attractive to migrate to Pax Americana. We can all dream about Utopia, but I prefer to keep my feet on the ground until it arrives. Regards, Ron