To: maceng2 who wrote (175552 ) 7/30/2021 5:30:19 PM From: sense 2 RecommendationsRecommended By maceng2 Maurice Winn
Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217745 Ref Ebola: So it was standard hygiene like hand washing and some changes to burial procedures that contained it ? The first issue back then... also clearly recognizable today... was that the local populations didn't trust that the WHO imposed invaders in their communities were there to "help"... rather than to create the problem. That distrust took many forms... from simple avoidance and refusals to participate... (as I do now in refusing the vax)... early on... which made it hard (as it is now) even to track numbers accurately. Bad numbers masked the scope and pace of expansion of the problem... I addressed necessary corrections to the dynamics in the math, first, then, as I did for Covid in early Feb 2020... my math proving more right in both instances... theirs wrong... when scaling a proper response requires accurate data giving sufficient lead time to "get there first" versus a known risk ? As things (predictably) got worse... distrust only grew... resulting not only in avoidance, but in physical attacks on providers and facilities... temporary hospitals were attacked and destroyed... people got hurt. WHO staffers showed up wearing full white bio-hazmat suits... to protect themselves... walking the streets like alien invaders... as they sorted through the communities looking for sick people to bring to hospital... and for bodies to remove... both efforts imposing accelerated spread through network effects... exactly as in Covid, with the early responders being among those most highly impacted... in large part because not knowing how to safely apply and adhere to the protective standards. The rational lack of trust... is really a cause of disease... or, at the best, it works to prevent successful containment where it might occur... That doesn't mean "imposing trust" or over-riding concern with it is or can be a solution ? It means "creating trust"... because well and truly earned... is a necessary but not sufficient condition for success ? The cultural factors can't be ignored... or hand-waved away... as, say, occurs now by Joe calling you stupid for not submitting to their medical experiments... ? Yeah... good luck with that... more as the proofs there should be no trust continue to stack up... What works "OK" at John's Hopkins... should not be expected to work at all in East Africa ? The fear of "helpers" being greater than the fear of the disease was and is not irrational... And neither is the basis for the mistrust... considered in error ? The population... then... believed, and not without reason, that the alien invaders were causing the disease... not "helping" ? And that was true, in large part... as "the aliens" became a vector.. and their "solutions" made the problem worse. The only "help" being offered had two local components... one that required families submitting patients to the aliens to "care for them" and not kill them... as the other required disrupting the locals religious and cultural beliefs and practices ? The governments were being told... we'll help... let us control this for you... and were pushed out of every element of creating, managing or controlling the response... What I did first, after fixing "the math" problem... was evaluate "the problems" in causation... including recognizing and accepting that "the solution" was a huge part of the problem... A functional response... could only be one that worked to act WITH the locals... giving them agency and control... not "acting on them" while disrupting religious and cultural practices... and dis-empowering them as individuals, communities, and governments. Whatever you did... had to enable trust... not destroy it... and that meant understanding the disease, first... AND the people being impacted by it, as equally important... in order to work WITH them... using tools that didn't cause fear and avoidance... to address the problem at the root without imposing any pre-conceived "solution"... mostly designed to benefit others... so based on "imposing what we want"... rather than "doing what works" in context. The "vaccine is the only possible solution" as an issue... no, as a problem... was imposed there again... only then requiring.... "you guys keep dying until we come up with a vaccine as the preferred solution"... with the "aliens" efforts really only intended to conduct a holding action... which is not a lot different than what you see being imposed re Covid today... insistently NOT doing what works... to insist on a particular "approved solution"... in spite of that being stupid. So, the key issues were... the communities in that part of Africa are socially very "hands on". Touch is culturally important. The disease is spread by that physical contact... by transfer to skin in sweat or blood. Funerary rituals included whole families and communities engaging in a "laying on of hands" to see departed loved ones off... then, shaking hands with someone... or transfers on money... as well as other physical contact... a pat on the back... bumping into someone in the street... as well as blood in the bush meat markets, etc., ensured an exponential growth curve as the disease spread. The WHO tried to shut down routine behavior... close the markets... stop physical contact... including ending funerary rights... and, unsurprisingly, they failed to make any of that work. They acted, as in Covid, to PREVENT taking routine steps in imposing quarantines... (because "quarantines don't work" ?) greatly fostering the spread. In hind sight... it looks like a scripted practice run for "what to do wrong" in addressing Covid... A bald faced lie that quarantines don't work... told for what reason ? What I suggested, instead of space aliens imposing insane "solutions" that clearly make the problems worse... through the network effects of the responses... was the use of accepted solutions that were routinely used already... culturally accepted as "clean"... without imposing, beyond reasonable quarantine efforts, responses that worked by disrupting families and communities or religious and cultural beliefs. The solution was to post buckets at every street corner... and at every shop entrance... each filled with a bleach solution concentrated enough to kill the virus. No one could enter a shop without dipping their hands in the bucket... People gladly participated... not just dipping hands but splashing themselves... coming and going. It empowered them... and it protected them... and it worked. Funerary rights were not disrupted by bathing bodies in bleach solutions before touching the bodies... and dipping hands in bleach afterwards was not imposing any cultural problems. Bleach was an accepted part of the culture... and its expanded use presented no cultural obstacles... It only empowered the locals... not with a placebo effect... but with a proactive effort that worked... that they implemented themselves... not only without outsiders "help"... but in opposition to the outsiders dictates. Quarantines imposed around hotspots... didn't need to be absolute... only needed to be equipped with health checks and bleach stations to ensure transfers out of the hotspots were being addressed with a proper preventive effort ? People had no problem with being "cleaned" with a culturally accepted solution... delivered by locals themselves... as a part of helping to protect themselves and others... at no obvious inconvenience or risk to themselves ? The WHO/CDC "white space aliens" were converted to locals wearing protective garb... sanitizing problematic areas by spraying them with bleach solutions (much like you saw done in Wuhan to contain the worst of it)... and the locals had no problem with that... It was implemented entirely by national and local governments over WHO / CDC objections... including the imposition of "better" locally imposed quarantines over their objections. The WHO and CDC at first... "mostly" denied it could work... and refused to participate or support it. When it became unavoidably clear the WHO et al efforts were failing... the risk only growing... the governments finally came asking for rational alternatives. I say "mostly"... because a part of it was to require the bleach solutions also be mandated to be used in hosing down the outsides of health care workers protective garb in the hospital settings... after which having been implemented... no one else on medical staff became infected by transfers of disease in the field hospital settings... ? The cost was so low it didn't require submission to outside control.... or any outside funding to pay for it... Doing that for two weeks... produced a sudden and dramatic reversal in new cases... making it clear that the crisis was essentially over... no thanks at all to the CDC or the WHO... And, "they"... will continue to refu$e to tell that $tory... ? Why ?