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To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (35926)	9/4/2021 7:54:31 PM
From: Sun Tzu	1 Recommendation Recommended By sunabeach Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 97950

The big problem with what you are saying is that there is no such thing as "conservative values." To begin with, "conservative values" are like religion. They mean whatever the speaker wants it to mean. Kind of like Islam that is religion of peace to some people and a call to uprising for others. Ditto for Christianity. It is a religion of charity and helping the fallen for some people, and a source of bombings or crusades for others. Are the evangelicals conservative? Were the Neocons conservative? Is the GOP conservative? Byond this, even when you manage to define conservative values, you will find out that they were not conservative values to start. Are freedom, equality, and being entitled to the fruits of labor conservative values? Originally they were not conservative values. The conservatives were slave owner and aristocrats. They believed in social tiers and "honor". The progressives were Adam Smith and a bunch of rebels who said the hell with his lordship we are not going to give damn about the blood lines. They declared all men to have inalienable rights. Those were not conservative talking points. This process repeated again. Should women have the right to vote? Voting rights were not a conservative talking point. Conservatism means you want to keep the society as is. You don't like the change and if you are going to tolerate it, it should come with a lot of provisos and be a snail's pace change. In a hundred years, a stable gay family will be a conservative value and something else will be what the conservatives rile against. PS You do the all American thing of confusing conservatism with party affiliation and/or capitalism. Dumbing down the political language and making it impossible to form coherent thought has been going on since way before George Orwell wrote about it. If you were in Russia, conservatism would mean communism. And if you were in Saudi, it would mean a very strict Wahhabism. Conservatism is not some value and it is not constant. It is a stance against change.

To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (35926)	9/4/2021 10:52:08 PM
From: robert b furman	2 Recommendations Recommended By da_spot Lee Lichterman III Respond to of 97950

Hi Lee, a 1000 recs! That is a very clear post and I agree and have lived and proven that to be true. Solid college education, and disciplined living life frugally, adds up to investment made and returns earned. The generations that want experiences over assets have yet to learn that it takes a life time to slowly accumulate assets in life! That means if you start late in your life , you end up with less at the end - unless you are a trust fund titty baby! There are a lot of them out there! THERE ARE A LOT OF SOUR GRAPES FOR THOSE WHO CAN NOT HANDLE THAT LIFESTYLE. It's common and to be expected that those with less discipline have sour grapes, and desire governmental and politically agreeable wealth transfer payments. As old as the ground. IMO Bob

To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (35926)	9/5/2021 12:11:23 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 97950

A few other points. Negative feedback systems are self correcting. This is my shortcut exploration of why you cannot extrapolate social trends to their extreme. Services economy is a byproduct of excess manufacturing capacity. When people have more than enough food to eat (as evidenced by the obesity) the economy veers toward restaurants and take outs. And when that is saturated, services like uber eats pop up. You don't see such services in the developing world because there just aren't enough supplied goods. Nor are there enough jobs there for people to value their time enough to ask for delivery. This is an extension of Maslow's pyramid. The dark picture that I see some people paint by extending the economic trends to infinity can't happen because as soon as production capacity drops, the service sector will switch into manufacturing. Finally, a real democracies always become more socialistic over time. This is not a corruption of the societal values. It is the nature of the system. People will find ways of voting better lives for themselves and smart capitalists will front run the trend to avoid facing pitchforks in a peasants revolt. That the US is the only western economy in which some people have to file bankruptcy for their medical bills (or worse so they can get medical care) speaks volumes about how democratic the American system is and how effective the mass propaganda has been.