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To: Neeka who wrote (759070)	3/10/2022 3:02:44 PM
From: skinowski	2 Recommendations Recommended By didjuneau Neeka Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793828

While it may be a long time before we know its full extent, Washington took an even more direct role once the turmoil started. Senators John McCain and Chris Murphy met with Svoboda’s fascist leader, standing shoulder to shoulder with him as they announced their support to the protesters, while US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland handed out sandwiches to them. To understand the provocative nature of such moves, you only need to remember the establishment outrage over the mere idea Moscow had used troll farms to voice support for Black Lives Matter protests. It was a mess. And it did nothing good for the Ukrainians - except for politicians and their rich friends I find it confusing when they use terms “far right” and “fascists” interchangeably. National Socialist movements had their roots in Marxism - which is pretty much the opposite from what the Right (or conservative) movements are generally about.

To: Neeka who wrote (759070)	3/10/2022 3:15:47 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793828

From what I understand, one of the reasons why Maidan was successful was the promise of EU membership. They made it difficult for a national economy to survive and do well without such membership. Whenever politicians talk about a trade or an economic / political arrangement, what they have in mind is exclusion of those who are NOT members. So, it would be easier to sell to Europe. Which isn’t the end of it - I’ve seen situations when a poor country could not compete with W. European goods - simply because the Western productivity was so much better. Another factor - many young Ukrainians were excited about moving West. Many did it anyway, even without EU membership. Membership in EU can be a mixed blessing. For decades now, young Lithuanians move to more affluent Western countries. They begin to prepare for the move since high school or college - it became one of the “normal” career paths. I heard stories going back some 20 years - about towns and villages in Lithuania where there are virtually no young people. Since then, it became worse. Combined with the low fertility rates in the country, it’s a demographic slow motion train wreck.