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To: didjuneau who wrote (759432)	3/15/2022 10:49:32 PM
From: didjuneau	Respond to of 793670

Still learning about OSCE - just found out that both US and Russia are in it as well! We are all Europeans now? Technically, Russia - at least initially - could say they were doing the job of the OSCE outlined in the Minsk Agreements -disarming the Azov battalion who were shelling the Russian speaking eastern Ukrainians. un.org Gets pretty confusing when you have international organizations that only pay lip service to something that they supposedly agree on. That's why I always thought the UN was useless for enforcement resolutions - and maybe less than worthless if it gets a lot of people killed for a false reason (like Iraq).

To: didjuneau who wrote (759432)	3/15/2022 11:37:26 PM
From: D. Long	12 Recommendations Recommended By didjuneau DMaA FJB frankw1900 garrettjax and 7 more members Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793670

Russia's aggression is not to be condoned, but let there be no mistake: this is a situation where there are no good guys. Ukraine is utterly corrupt. The good news is that we may have found a situation where we can be happy that both sides CAN lose. Russia is not winning against a third-rate tinpot kleptocracy and is getting a serious bloody nose, and Ukraine will probably lose a good quarter of its land mass in a negotiated settlement and be locked out of NATO and the EU.