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To: greenspirit who wrote (760705)4/5/2022 6:34:25 PM
From: John Koligman  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793964
 
I did see this today from Milley. I hope for the sake of Ukraine that it doesn't last for years.

Joint Chiefs chairman says Ukraine war could last 'years'


Alex Seitz-Wald

5h ago / 11:56 AM CDT

In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee Tuesday, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said the U.S. and its allies should be prepared to counter Russian aggression in Eastern Europe for "quite some time."

“I do think this a very protracted conflict and I think it’s at least measured in years. I don’t know about a decade, but at least years, for sure," said Gen. Mark Milley, the nation's top military commander. "This is a very extended conflict that Russia has initiated. And I think that NATO, the United States, Ukraine and all of the allies and partners that are supporting Ukraine are going to be involved in this for quite some time."

Milley said it's still too soon to tell how Ukraine's fiercer than expected resistance might influence Moscow's plans in the future, but said the U.S. must be prepared to counter future Russian aggression as Moscow tries to expand its sphere of influence in Ukraine and other Eastern European nations.

"We are witness to the greatest threat to peace and security of Europe, and perhaps the world, in my 42 years of service in uniform," Milley said in his opening remarks at the hearing on the Defense Department's budget. "The Russian invasion of Ukraine is threatening to undermine not only European peace and stability, but the global peace and stability that my parents and a generation of Americans fought so hard to defend."

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To: greenspirit who wrote (760705)4/5/2022 6:39:32 PM
From: John Koligman  Respond to of 793964
 
Also saw this piece on what the Russians are reading.

'Genocide masterplan': Experts alarmed after Kremlin intellectual calls for 'cleansed' Ukraine



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Bucha massacre: ‘Horrifying’ footage shows evidence of war crimes inflicted on Kyiv suburb

DMYTRO KULEBA: Bucha
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Alexander Nazaryan
·Senior White House Correspondent

Tue, April 5, 2022, 1:24 PM·5 min read



Vladimir Putin
President of Russia

WASHINGTON — Ukrainian society must be “cleansed of Nazi elements,” a leading Russian intellectual wrote in an essay published on Sunday, as Ukrainian soldiers sifted through the gruesome aftermath of a slaughter of civilians in the Kyiv suburb of Bucha.

The article, titled “What Should Russia Do With Ukraine?” was published on the website of RIA Novosti, a news agency controlled by the Kremlin. Its author, Timofey Sergeytsev, is described as a “political technologist.” He previously worked for Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Kremlin president of Ukraine ousted during the 2014 popular protests known as the Orange Revolution.

Faithfully echoing the arguments that have been proffered by Russian President Vladimir Putin, Sergeytsev even puts the blame on the civilian population. “A significant number of common people are also guilty of being passive Nazis and Nazi accomplices,” Sergeytsev writes. “They supported the Nazi authorities and pandered to them.”



Russian President Vladimir Putin gives a speech in Moscow on March 18. (Alexander Vilf/AFP via Getty Images)
Sergeytsev has made “outlandish, outrageous claims in the past,” Oxford expert on Russian affairs Samuel Ramani told Yahoo News. But in this case, the article “represents mainstream Kremlin thinking.”

Ukrainian activists translated the article into English after the Russian-language version was circulated widely on social media.

“This is what real #Russia wants,” the activists wrote.

“As naked an endorsement of genocide as you’ll read in a state-owned media organ,” wrote Russia expert Michael Weiss on Twitter about the Sergeytsev article.

The article amounts to a “genocide masterplan,” Berlin-based Russia expert Sergej Sumlenny told Yahoo News in a text message. He predicted that Sergeytsev’s musings would be used as justification for more atrocities like the one at Bucha.

Putin launched the invasion of Ukraine in February under the fictitious pretenses that the nation’s leadership was rife with “Nazi” extremists. Although there are far-right elements in Ukraine’s society, and its military, they constitute an out-of-power fringe, as they do in other European states. Russia’s claims are rendered especially absurd given the fact that Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is one of the few Jewish leaders on the world stage. Zelensky and some of his predecessors have sought to orient the nation away from Russia, toward the West, thus incurring the Kremlin’s ire.

Russia is “not just after piecemeal annexation of territory,” Ramani told Yahoo News of Sergeytsev’s lengthy musings. “It’s about suppressing the Ukrainian identity, and it equates any kind of expression of Ukrainian nationalism with Nazism,” even when those expressions of national feeling are being voiced by Zelensky, who had family members who fought against the Nazis in World War II — and others who perished in the Holocaust.



A local resident views the destruction in Svitylnia, Ukraine, on Friday. (Anastasia Vlasova/Getty Images)
In his RIA Novosti article, Sergeytsev essentially calls for the elimination of Ukrainian national identity. “The name ‘Ukraine’ cannot be kept as a title of any fully denazified state entity on the territory liberated from the Nazi regime,” he writes. “The people’s republics, newly created on the territories free from Nazism, must and will develop on the basis of practices of economic self-government and social security, restoration and modernization of systems of essential services for the population.”

Zelensky addressed the article in a call with Romanian politicians on Monday, saying it would be used as “evidence in a future tribunal of Russian war crimes.” He said the article called for “the annihilation of everything that makes Ukrainians Ukrainian.”

Putin has long seen Ukraine as part of a broader, Moscow-led Slavic empire, a vision articulated by intellectuals who have provided a philosophical backing for the Kremlin’s aggressive aims in Ukraine and elsewhere. Although Ukrainians share cultural, religious and linguistic similarities with Russia, they have long bristled at being treated like a junior partner. Ukraine has been its own nation since the dissolution of the Soviet empire in 1991.

Sergeytsev’s article is a window into how the Kremlin apparently continues to see the Ukraine invasion, despite seemingly abandoning its “denazification” project last week amid mounting military losses.

Regime change is no longer a public Russian condition for peace. But whether the Kremlin truly seeks an end to fighting remains unclear.

For one, the Kremlin continues to promote its unfounded claims of Ukrainian extremism, with former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev writing in a Monday social media post that “a passionate segment of Ukrainian society has been praying to the Third Reich for the last 30 years. Literally.”



Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev at a meeting near Moscow on March 16. (Yekaterina Shtukina, Sputnik, Government Pool/AP)
Going even further in his RIA Novosti essay, Sergeytsev argues that “Ukra-nazism poses a much bigger threat to the world and Russia than the Hitler version of German Nazism.” Russian media has been full of lurid stories about the supposed slaughter of ethnic Russians by Ukrainian troops. Outlandish conspiracy theories about bioweapons laboratories funded by Hunter Biden, the president’s son, and George Soros, the Jewish philanthropist, have also proliferated widely in Russian media — and without any evident skepticism.

Adolf Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of Russians and Ukrainians, as well as the extermination of 6 million Jews. Russian propaganda has latched on to the fact that there were also Ukrainian collaborators who worked with the Nazis during Hitler’s invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. Those Ukrainian nationalists hoped to secure independence from the brutal Soviet rule, which was itself responsible for millions of deaths in Ukraine.

Zelensky and his supporters argue that if any regime represents modern-day Nazi Germany, it is the one found in Moscow.

“It’s important to spread this article,” the Ukrainians who posted the English-language version of Sergeytsev’s essay wrote. “The world should be aware of Russian methods, crimes, and plans. Putin will not stop until he is stopped.”



To: greenspirit who wrote (760705)4/5/2022 8:41:37 PM
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Mick Mørmøny

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"I hope Russia comes to their senses, accepts the terms of no NATO membership and turns tail back across the border."

They can't stop, to stop is to accept responsibility.

Ukraine should all be speaking Russian by now, it makes Putin look ridiculous.

Russia will eventually win by attrition, choking off and starving Ukraine, but this is not how they planned to win.



To: greenspirit who wrote (760705)4/5/2022 9:10:04 PM
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He is super confident Russia will win - just a matter of time. I am not. Gorilla warfare can go on for decades, just as it did in Afghanistan.
Many people think that the US/Nato strategy is to give Russia their second Afghanistan. The purpose would be regime change (which, apparently, would involve a much weaker Russia). What will be the cost to Ukrainian civilians - no one cares.

I think the scenario about decades of guerrilla warfare is very unlikely. The thing is - the Russians do not seem to have any interest in controlling the entire Ukraine - the only thing they want from them is to stay out of NATO, refrain from nukes - and keep their pro-Nazi groups, like Azov, on a tighter leash. If there will be territorial changes, they will involve only the heavily Russian areas.

I think Ritter is right on many things - including the Zelensky issue. Azov leaders are threatening his life if he “betrays Ukraine”. It looks like they would see any settlement as a “betrayal”.

Our species can survive anything - except for a global nuclear Blowout. Or a huge asteroid.



To: greenspirit who wrote (760705)4/6/2022 7:24:49 AM
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Maurice Winn

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I hope Russia comes to their senses, accepts the terms of no NATO membership and turns tail back across the border.
I would be happy to see this. But unless whatever settlement they agree on is implemented by all sides, the war will likely resume. We’ve seen it with the Minsk agreement - which was absolutely ignored by Ukraine and the West. Since then, 16,000 people in Eastern Ukraine were killed fighting for the autonomy which was granted to them in Minsk. Unless extremists like Azov are subdued, the peace will not last.

It’s a proxy war, in a sense that Vietnam and Afghanistan 1 in 1980’s were. The difference is - this time it’s in Europe - and Russia is not only directly involved, but is convinced that their own survival is at stake.

You will not agree with the above - but even if you’re right, it doesn’t matter. The fact is - that’s what it IS to them.

I think Gen Milley is wrong - this war will not last for years. The Bucha events (I’m not going into who done it) and the torture / murders of POW’s show that the levels of anger and brutality are going up very sharply. Also, Ukraine's economy was a disaster even before the war. Now, it is much worse - and not about to get better. Weapons manufacturers may be very happy - but Europeans will have problems accepting refugees by the time their numbers reach double digits of millions. Most of them are not going back, btw.

So, the war WILL end - and the best you and I can hope for - before it becomes global.



To: greenspirit who wrote (760705)4/6/2022 9:32:30 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793964
 
I hope USA comes to their senses, turns tail and goes back across the border to USA. but there is no sign of sense. USA is full of megalomaniacs. USA started it. USA continues it.

I hope Russia comes to their senses, accepts the terms of no NATO membership and turns tail back across the border.

The big mistake being made by USA is thinking conquest of Russia is under way. I refer you to Napoleon's, Barbarossa's attempts.

I wonder whether atomic bombs say 20 km off the coast of New York, Washington, Los Angeles, 500 metres deep, would form tsunamis say 40 metres high.

Those handy tank destroying shoulder rockets USA is providing their proxies are clever, but small scale by comparison with atomic bombs.

Another interesting atomic bomb explosion would be at night, say 30km high, to give people an idea of where things are going. Maybe 100km high so it would be seen much further away. Over Washington would get attention.

I would not accept my sons being picked off one by one by Azovs or Zalenskys. I doubt Putin and Russians will continue to accept being attacked and conquered .
Yulia, Nuland, Obama, Biden, and gangsters started it, with attacks in Kiev and the East. Carnage in the east was ignored. USA/NATO kept ramping up, determined to retake Crimea and defeat Russia.

There's a very simple solution available now. Some people love wars. Most don't. I recommend cutting to the chase and settling the situation now.

There is no reason for Crimea to be owned by Kievans. It seems that like in Yugoslavia, and Brexit, and Ireland/Scottish independence, a division in the east would be better.

Mqurice