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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (8274)2/9/1998 4:23:00 PM
From: Quincy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
I don't get it, Tero. You came up with a well written and agreeable post over in the Nokia thread about Brother Bill and WinCE and now you come over here and spew more crap.

Motorola announced during the Winter Consumer Electronics Show that they will have an 800mhz and a PCS cellphone to ship sometime in March or April. Models SC-725 and SC-925. These use what they call "6V" chips. Startac requires a "3V" chip. The Motorola person I spoke to said they don't think they will have the 3V chip working until next year.

Quite frankly, if they and Nokia would have used Qcom's ASCIS for the first generation or two, they would be on their third and fourth generation of phones like the Q is now. Instead, Qcom is working on its next couple of generations of ASICs and leaving everyone else further behind.

After all, Samsung demonstrated a rather nice PDA using Qcom's asics at CES. Other companies are rumored to follow. Why isn't there a CDMA version of the Nokia 9000, Tero?

Nokia has developed some wonderful technology. But, Qualcomm holds THE key to CDMA in any flavor. While Qualcomm has some political work cut out for them to solve the ETSI demands in a mutually beneficial manner, they are in the drivers seat.

Have a nice day, Tero.



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (8274)2/9/1998 4:39:00 PM
From: kech  Respond to of 152472
 
Tero- You ask "why the company did not say anything about the ETSI standard in their last conference call?"

Actually, they did say something about it. They were quite clear in saying that a great deal of their Intellectual Property Rights are being used in the new standard. If you don't believe me, there is still time to listen in to the conference call. It is posted above. Tom



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (8274)2/9/1998 4:43:00 PM
From: Gregg Powers  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
Tero, there are some serious flaws in your argument. QC certainly has not driven MOT away "with it's greedy attitude" nor was Nokia intent on self immolation when it based its first phone on an older form factor. Both of these companies opted to design their own chipset rather than source the MSM (mobile station modem) ASIC from Qualcomm. First generation silicon tends to be larger than fourth generation silicon (i.e. QC's chipset), hence the form factor disparity. MOT has been been booking a serious amount of CDMA infrastructure business, and I guarantee you that management would prefer to have a viable handset product to sell with it. Problem is, MOT's internally-sourced chipset has performed poorly in carrier field tests AND the lack of volume makes for an expensive, first generation chip and, subsequently, an expensive first generation phone. MOT is a quality engineering company that certainly will solve its technical problems; however, it will take time for them to ramp chip output and achieve economies of scale. This point should underline several important issues: (1) a subscriber-equipment license is NOT an ASIC license (i.e. Samsung could design its own chipset, and use it for its own phones, but it could not sell it into the merchant market), (2) the barriers to entry into the CDMA handset business are non-trivial, particularly for those not purchasing QC chipsets and (3) carriers typically go through an extensive certification process, calibrating handset performance, durability and attractiveness before releasing the product to the field--this creates a far more formidible barrier to entry (and new competition) than most analysts seem to appreciate.

With regard to "Q" sales stalling, let's stick with the facts. The current phone is a single-mode, digital-only, premium-priced product that has run into some push-back from high-end customers struggling with dropped calls due to inadequate network build-out. The original logic of a single-mode, digital phone was simple: the customer's perception of product quality is governed by his least common denominator experience. So defaulting to inferior analog (with static and reduced battery life) was perceived as a liability. So, as Sprint's network matures, and the coverage issue resolves itself, I suspect there will be renewed interest in the single-mode handset. In the meantime, for markets with inadequate PCS build-out, the dual-band, dual-mode QCP-2700 provides more reliable coverage and sales of the product are increasing (as per the conference call). QC will begin shipping a dual-mode, dual-band "Q", the end-of-March, beginning-of-April, at which time we should revisit this order rate discussion.

Finally, Qualcomm has repeatedly stated that W-CDMA requires its IPR (intellectual property rights). The European trade press may try to make lemonade out of a lemon, but the reality remains that TDMA-based GSM will go the way of the dodo by Ericsson's own admission--I am rather amused how you tried to slip past the air-interface argument by hiding under the network protocol. Sorry. BTW: Ericsson clearly has noticed that QC holds fundamental IPR, that is why IMHO ERICY filed the patent lawsuit against Qualcomm in the first place (i.e. to gain leverage vis-a-vis the ultimate licensing arrangement). Time will tell.



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (8274)2/9/1998 4:44:00 PM
From: limtex  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
I wonder how high end NOKA and ERICY phones are selling in the US or in Europe How are high end StarTac GSMs selling in Europe compared with the cheaper StarTacs and the much cheaper but slightly bigger other models. These figures shouldn't be very difficult to get hold of and someone on this thread may even have the data.

My understanding is that the high end StarTacs are quite a small percentage of handset sales in Eurpope. Although living standards are higher in the US marketing including call charges and fixed charges is much more agressive and customers and phone companies are used to very low local call charges etc and are therefore more accustomed to phone/call charges at commodity type rates. Thus it is quite possible that in the US high end handsets are going to sell even less wel than in Europe. In fact that appears to be exactly what we have just been told.

But this just highlights what I said in my weekend posts that the handset business is something that the Q should get out of at the ealrliest opportunity. It is becoming, if it is not already a commodity business. Let those who are best at fighting this type of battle go to it for the low margins that they will get.

The value is in the ownership of technology and the Q should strategize to drop their royalty rate to encourage the manufacturers and use the cash flow to further enhance their technology lead.

Just out of interest can we ask what the figures are for handset sales in Finland and Sweden ie what percentage of handset sales in those territories are NOKA and ERICY respectively and what percentage other manufacturers.




To: tero kuittinen who wrote (8274)2/11/1998 12:10:00 PM
From: Clarksterh  Respond to of 152472
 
Tero - And there is *one* item published by a flag-waving Qualcomm newsletter hinting that Qualcomm is somehow central in the W-CDMA.

It totally amazes me that you think that they totaltele is lying, but in any case here is another article with quotes from Hillebrand on UMTS.

techweb.com

<<"IPR is a problem with every standard," Hillebrand said. "The main problem is companies that don't want to produce, but just collect royalties.">>

It seems they are peeved at companies which aren't in the fold. Those little pip-squeek spoil sports! What right do they have to get royalties for their dollars spent on research! Everyone knows that the only thing that counts is how cheaply you can produce a handset, not how useful your technology is!

I'll admit that this is not direct confirmation of the totaltele article, but it is certainly in the same vein, and has the same attitude. Therefore it lends credence to the totaltele article.

Clark