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To: skinowski who wrote (762774)	5/12/2022 10:38:18 AM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Recommended By rdkflorida2 Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793914

Only a limited number of volunteers came from Russia to help them. Russian military units came to help one side of the conflict both openly at least at certain times, and under the guise of volunteers. The other side wasn't just people from Kyiv and Lviv and such but included local people they didn't all want to separate. Even with a desire for separation it doesn't make it anything other than a war against Ukraine by Russia. The occupied territories in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea were both forcibly grab by Russian military power. Georgia…. Invaded South Ossetia Georgian territory, and this after South Ossetia de facto broke away due to an earlier Russian intervention. Russia didn't start its military involvement in Georgia in 2008, it helped the region break away earlier in the 1991-1992 war. No its not 100 percent one sided with the Georgians being pure as snow and the Russians totally evil, but from nearly the outset of Georgia's modern existence as an independent country it faced Russia bullying and intervention. Similarly the Ukrainians are not perfect paragons of all that's good, and the Russians had reasons to be concerned, but the Russians are the aggressors, and violators of their pledge to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. Both with the recent escalation, and with their earlier attacks in the east and south of Ukraine.

To: skinowski who wrote (762774)	5/15/2022 1:06:10 AM
From: Maurice Winn	5 Recommendations Recommended By 3bar frankw1900 Hoa Hao Old_Sparky Tom Clarke Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793914

It's notable that the Rusha Rusha Rusha foaming at the mouth warmongers who think it all started when Putin "invaded a sovereign country" are nearly all ignorant about those people who have been murdered by the Kievans, backed by USA/NATO. the Ukrainian government - which continued to bomb and attack Donbas, killing circa 14-16 thousand people in those 8 years. One of the reasons for the invasion was that Ukraine was beginning a major campaign against the Donbas regions. Putin did emphasize the speed and impact of the next phase of escalation [aka atomic bombs I suppose] so I guess it's going to come out of the blue, with the warning that has already been given. Putin is not the sort to count to three, or else, like dealing with a miscreant child. Because USA has so vastly much more to lose than Russia, I expect USA will finally face reality and stop the war. There is an obvious solution that has been available since 2014 = autonomy, like Scotland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Brexit decided by local yokels voting. It is absurd that nearly everyone can't even think of that or for some weird undisclosed reason don't wish to discuss it. The Americans want lots of lovely loot and enjoy killing people = $40 billion x 10% for DementiaJoe%, Hunter, Lindsay Graham, Nancy Pelosi, and all the others who have scuttled over there to get their paws in the honey pot, plus big heaps of armaments orders for Raytheon and all the others. It's understandable that those people really want the war to keep going or the cash flow will stop. Those who love murder as seen on tv, tanks exploding, ships sinking, buildings going up, drama and horror in general want it to continue too. Lots of people claim to like democracy, freedom, voting and stuff, but they don't or they'd say "Oh, hadn't thought of that Mq. Good idea. Why not get the UN to hold elections in Donetsk Luhansk, etc, just like in Yugoslavia, Scotland etc?" They like to see Russian soldiers being blown up and don't care about millions of displaced Ukrainians and quite a lot of them killed albeit still fewer than were murdered in the east. All those in favour of democracy and voting and enjoying life say yay. All those who like blood, guts, horror, trauma, lives destroyed, buildings and economic life destroyed say "Down with voting". Then we can know who the enemy are. Mqurice