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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (762876)	5/15/2022 7:04:24 AM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Recommended By THE WATSONYOUTH Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793958

The war did start when Putin invaded a sovereign country. In 2014. It escalated this year when he made a larger invasion or multiple invasions of a sovereign country. That's true even if the Ukrainians were planning some massive campaign in the Donbas and would be true even if they had already launched such a campaign. A lot of people who died in Donbas were killed by Russians or there little client states, and the whole war was at least encouraged and arguably instigated by Russia and only happened after its invasion of Crimea. On top of that the only real evidence that Ukraine was planning a major campaign in the Donbas (which would be completely legitimate as it is occupied Ukrainian territory) seems to be that Russia claims this to be the case. As for the US stopping the war - It doesn't have that ability. It could stop arming Ukraine to make it weaker and more vulnerable in that war which might make it lose, but even then the war might continue as an insurgency (depending on how much Ukraine grabs). The Russians have the ability to end the war if they want it over with so badly or at least more ability then anyone else has short of abject surrender by the Ukrainians.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (762876)	5/15/2022 7:19:40 AM
From: greenspirit	2 Recommendations Recommended By John Koligman THE WATSONYOUTH Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793958

The Neville Chamberlin wing is alive and well I see. You have to hand it to Putin with his ability to convince so many that it was about NATO membership, as he’s single-handedly bolstered the alliance for the next 100 years and awakened a generation of peace minded citizens from their ignorant naïveté. Check Vlad, your move….

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (762876)	5/15/2022 7:40:23 AM
From: skinowski	5 Recommendations Recommended By 3bar Hoa Hao lightshipsailor Maurice Winn pak73 Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793958

I think it’s not so much about democracy as about what the key players among the elites perceive as what’s best. They’re steering the boat - and are willing to take great risks… on our behalf. A moment ago I posted a talk with Scott Ritter Message 33843707 Many people think he’s controversial - I don’t really see that. He’s a well informed, thoughtful guy who has a lot of experience in these matters. Until now, he didn’t think that the influx of weapons and money could change the course of the war. In this talk yesterday he modifies his views. If he’s right, we can expect more extensive mobilizations on both sides. That may cancel - or at least delay - the horrible “next stage”. Also, he thinks Finland will be a problem. At the very least, they would need to militarize their entire border with Russia - which, as I recall, goes all the way up, well north of Murmansk. Since they cannot do it themselves, this would require rather massive NATO presence - which opens yet another whole new can of rockets. I think the world needs - immediately - to take some time out and decide how far we all want to go. It would appear that the very fact that Russia is having so much difficulty with Ukraine should serve as proof that - at least, when using conventional means - they’re hardly such a great threat to Europe or to anyone.