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To: Time Traveler who wrote (47549)	2/10/1998 1:43:00 PM
From: Eric Yang	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

John, I rather not litter this board with PowerPC discussion since people here are here because they are interested in INTC..and there is plenty of news regarding INTC to talk about. But I feel obligated to respond to your comments. Even if your claim that PPC-750 and 604e on 0.25um have been ubiquitously available since August of '97 turns out to be true, you are right.. They have. Check the PRs. I know the Mac product line like the back of my hand. Before P-II on 0.25um is out, it is fair to compare PPC-750 on 0.25um with P-II on 0.35um. However, P-II on 0.25um is already out on mass, you have to start comparing PPC-750 with P-II on 0.25um John, I wasn't the one who made process feature size an issue in the first place. I simply tried give a fair comparison between PPC 750 and Pentium II...then you cried foul saying that 300MHz Pentium II is on .35um. Now that I've responded to your comment you're saying that it should be compared to .25um chips from INTC? Okay, let's do that. The new Pentium II running at 333MHz is on .25um. The benchmark has already been presented earlier. PPC 750 is still almost 2X as fast in BYTEmark integer test. apple.com As for power usage, 333MHz PII draws about 23.7 watts which is still over 4 times that of PPC 750. Happy? In putting myself as an average consumer, I noticed the new ad from Apple very amusing. It shows the top-of-the-line Apple running faster in my mind is that. If I remove that heavy load off that poor snail, would it be crawling faster than that Apple? What?! John..it's just an ad. Don't take it so literally. If you must know, I don't think the snail will crawl much faster without the load. But maybe you can run some sort of a benchmark. <g> So you claim that PPC-750 is cheaper than P-II in similar performance. Why is an Apple selling a lot more than a P-II system of similar performance? Buying an Apple is like buying a Ferrari. Macs used to be a lot more expensive than PC but in those days the alternative was to use a PC running DOS. Yuk! The price of Mac these days are very comparable to PCs. G3 PowerMacs start at $1850..hardly the price tag one would associate with a Ferrari. All Macs comes with built-in SCSI, ethernet, 16-bit sound in/out, the G3 comes with ATI RageII+ graphics acceleration chipset, video in/out. The power supply is actually self adjusting... Plugging your Mac in Australia doesn't fry the motherboard. Look at the beautiful G3 enclosure. macevolution.com With the push of a button the case flips open and one can access the the motherboard in 30 seconds (without ever using a screw driver). Apple have been using these well designed enclosures for 2 years. These are the kind of refinements that Mac users appreciate. The typical shopper that buys their PCs from Circuit City aren't savvy enough to appreciate these kind of things. By the way..G3s are Apple's mid-range systems. The high-end machines based on PPC 750 will be out in a few months. Since the roads are not designed to allow this car to run near my level of satisfaction, this car becomes very much useless. The only way I can use this car is just leaving it a garage, making it a bragging piece whenever friends or relatives coming to visit. The Apple is in a similar situation. Do you really believe in that? In the computer world there is no speed bump to speak of. I take a fast, function packed computer over an "el cheapo" any day. I run Photoshop, program, maintain a web site, burn CDs, digitize video, scan images, write papers, play games, buy/sell stock ..and do my taxes on my G3 PowerMac. Would you call that just for show? Computer for me is just a hobby. Imagine what the professionals do with their Macs. If your claim that Apple is getting these PPC from IBM at huge discounts, that would easily explain the short fall to IBM's profit PPC-750 nowadays. Come on John...PPC accounts for very little of IBM's total revenue. You know that. They have the monopoly, and their only customer wants and needs this product. So IBM does not have to give such great discount to Apple as you have claimed! Motorola also makes PowerPC chips. AAPL, IBM, MOT are partners in PowerPC venture. No one has much to gain by hurting other members. Apple being a member of the partnership AND the only major PPC customer has a lot of negotiation power. If you want to continue this discussion feel free come over to AAPL board or email me privately. I'm sure our friends here don't find this discussion very relevant to INTC. Eric