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To: koan who wrote (494784)	7/17/2022 4:59:53 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543155

>>What makes you think an atheist is any less tolerant than a secular person? One is a belief system and another is mode of conduct. They definitely do not imply or denote the same thing. Like trees vs. furniture - there is some relationship but they are not the same at all. Can we tolerate anyone talking to a five year old about God? Once. Twice. A dozen times? Secularists want balance. Atheists have taken a position. You could be a secular atheist though - but belief is taking a back seat to policy. I'm secular and I'd say God is only allowed in the classroom in the abstract or in reference to the mention in literature or even a conversation (e.g. "Bobby said Arun is going to Hell because he said he doesn't believe in Jesus") - we can talk about gods, but not advocate one, or deny they all exist. That is taking a position, not implementing a policy. It really is that simple. See below: Webster: atheist noun athe·?ist \| \ 'a-the-ist Definition of atheist : a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism secular adjective sec·?u·?lar \| \ 'se-ky?-l?r Definition of secular (Entry 1 of 2) 1a : of or relating to the worldly or temporal secular concerns b : not overtly or specifically religious secular music c : not ecclesiastical or clerical secular courts secular landowners 2 : not bound by monastic vows or rules specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation a secular priest 3a : occurring once in an age or a century b : existing or continuing through ages or centuries c : of or relating to a long term of indefinite duration secular inflation

To: koan who wrote (494784)	7/17/2022 5:18:41 PM
From: Cautious_Optimist	1 Recommendation Recommended By cosmicforce Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543155

They both mean no religion. What makes you think an atheist is any less tolerant than a secular person? An absolutist atheist MIGHT accept secular but ALL secularists accept atheists AND religions (and in between.) By definition. Our young country is not built on atheism or Christianity or even deism; it is built on tolerance of beliefs and a wall between those beliefs and government UNDER THE LAW. You can't sacrifice a virgin or stone an adulterer or non binary person for example in the name of religion. Many atheists current and past think religion is the enemy of reason and science. Some, like Richard Dawkins, call religious training before adulthood "child abuse." I'm not sure I disagree personally but implementing an atheist authoritarianism that I prefer from my educated elitism is worse IMO. I don't know how to attack broadly and focus on ending religions without a brutal revolution I cannot support. The "Cultural Revolution" and the "Great Leap Forward" in China were colossal failures that endure - see Tibet for example. The fact that the SCOTUS and GOP want to spin the first amendment and establish a Christian US theocracy is an entirely different subject. This should be the focus of our fight. It is what the founders worried about when they wrote the separation clause.