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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (194082)11/25/2022 7:15:37 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217750
 
Re <<TJ you must differentiate between "true communism" and implied communism - usually called socialism toward the goal of communism.>>

I do, but use different words for shorthand, and the perhaps more acceptable and gentle but unreachable version is Message 34092167
"Just an impression, that for whatever reasons seems either there were quite a bit / disproportionate engagement by the Jewish folks w/ the idealised version of communism, especially from fairly well to do / scholarly families. My father married two of them. What are the chances?"

As far as your point re <<Based on the Jewish Bible scripture the first true communist movement who resisted serfhood to the rich and powerful was the Prophet Amos>> and your cited Amos en.wikipedia.org
He spoke against an increased disparity between the very wealthy and the very poor. His major themes of justice, God's omnipotence, and divine judgment became staples of prophecy.

Amos seems an okay sort. Idealistic but okay.

Am uncertain we can get from 'here' to 'there'. Too many experiments have failed, and failing. Switzerland might come closest, perhaps, with a healthy portion of question marks, and even is true, perhaps only works for a small curation of people. I dunno.

In some sense EU, Japan, Singapore etc etc all tried and trying, but failing.

HK and USA are definitely not trying.

Neither is Taiwan.

Certainly not Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Neither India nor Brazil is in a position to try.

China, IMO, might be trying again per common-prosperity greater-good, and if achieved then for the good of the majority, however one must hope that the current try does better than previous several tries starting perhaps with the TaiPing TianGuo movement en.wikipedia.org
Feng Yunshan formed the Society of God Worshippers (Chinese: ? ?? ?; pinyin: Bài Shàngdì Huì) in Guangxi after a missionary journey there in 1844 to spread Hong's ideas. [10] In 1847, Hong became the leader of the secret society. [11] The Taiping faith, inspired by missionary Christianity, says one historian, "developed into a dynamic new Chinese religion... Taiping Christianity". Hong presented this religion as a revival and a restoration of the ancient classical faith in Shangdi. -16][12] The sect's power grew in the late 1840s, initially suppressing groups of bandits and pirates, but persecution by Qing authorities spurred the movement into a guerrilla rebellion and then into civil war.

In some Marxist historiography, the Taiping Rebellion was viewed as a proto-communist uprising. [13]

Yes, that "Taiping TianGuo" / Kingdom of Heavenly Peace which Eugene's zh.wikipedia.org papa worked for

... and fought during this episode, helped to successfully lay siege against Hankow (present day Wuhan) by exercise of organisation and his carpentry skills for the pontoon bridges which did the necessary, per astute agility view.inews.qq.com

dramatisation


The movement arguably triggered the downward trajectory of the Qing Dynasty and even as the movement failed, Qing authorities lost control of the south China, a necessary / unavoidable get-go of any new era


Post failure, Eugene's dada, head of body guard fore one of the four Kings, and as a persecuted Hakka en.wikipedia.org
With the collapse of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, the Qing dynasty launched waves of massacres against the Hakkas, killing up to 30,000 each day during the height of the massacres. [36] Similar purges were taken while defeating the Red Turban Rebellion (1854–1856). In Guangdong, Governor Ye Mingchen oversaw the execution of 70,000 people in Guangzhou, eventually one million people would be killed throughout Guangdong. [37] [38] Another major impact was the bloody Punti-Hakka Clan Wars (1855 and 1867), which would cause the deaths of a million people. The Cantonese opera was purged clean. [39]
(if the episodes reminds you of persecutions elsewhere, you might be correct) ...

... in any case Chen senior made for Trinidad and Tobago, and fortunate to eventually marry to Marie of the LeeLum's, a locally prominent Chinese family view.inews.qq.com
... which was responsible for a chain of shops (and therefore banks, and thus mandate from British crown to literally mint money, and drill for oil Message 32714095 )

here is a pic of the money, a square coin with a round hole, the 'different' from China's traditional money, museum.centralbankarts.org.tt
The traditional Chinese money was a round coin with a square hole. Yes, antecedents had a good sense of humour

Here is a photo of Marie, Eugene's mother, my great grandmother amazon.com


In any case, Eugene, one of six kids, went on to become the first ethnic Chinese lawyer of the island, was popular w/ the local Chinese community, and and and and

facebook.com
Eugene Chen, Chinese Trinidadian, and his wife, Agatha "Aisy" Alphonsin Ganteaume, French Creole, were married in 1899 in Trinidad. Eugene was a London trained lawyer, the legal advisor and foreign minister for Sun Yat-sen (the 1st president of the Republic of China), a newspaper owner, and revolutionary who lived in Trinidad, England, China, Russia, and Hong Kong at different times in his life. "Time" magazine called Eugene the "brains of the Chinese Revolution". Eugene and Aisy had 4 kids together before Aisy passed in 1926, and all of their children were very accomplished writers and professionals. Indeed, Eugune and Aisy's daughter, Sylvia Chen and Langston Hughes, the renowned African American poet and social activist, considered getting married at one time.
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and Eugene married Agatha jacksonadvocateonline.com (the article is wrong in that Eugene was the Foreign Minister, and never the President, and so Aisy was not the black First Lady of China, albeit would have been neat-er if she was :0)
“The marriage might have been a love match, but it would not have been too far from the truth to say it was initiated to some extent by Monsieur Ganteaume himself. Anxious to find a suitable husband for his high-spirited natural daughter, he might have requested the aid of the good sisters of St. Joseph and the good fathers of St. Mary’s. The good fathers of St. Mary’s recommended Eugene to the good sisters of St. Joseph, and both presented the candidate to Monsieur Ganteaume for inspection. Eugene, as human as any young enterprising lover, was more than ready to marry a wife with a dowry, considerable by the standard of the Chinese community, and an influential father.

“Aisy passed away in 1926, and Chen would go on to marry Georgette Chen, a Chinese painter. But it’s nevertheless fascinating to know that Eugene Chen and Agatha Alphosin Ganteaume wedded at a time when interracial marriages were rare and even illegal in many countries.”



and eventually down to the root that must face cancellation Message 32808135

and did face cancellation recently facebook.com

here be pic of great great grandpa of the coconut and the Jack Message 32714095


etc etc etc

after Agatha's passing Eugene was introduced to Georgette by Soong Ching-lin en.wikipedia.org (the same that Two Gun Cohen was employed by Eugene and loyally protected) the true first-First founding Lady of Republic of China.

Here be a photo


T.V. Soong was brother of Soong Chinglin, and Zhang Yunying was sister of Georgette Zhang, and so the future Georgette Chen must also logically be in the frame hpcbristol.net



Here be a painting by Georgette that went under the hammer by Sotherbys for ~US$ 1M sothebys.com
I think Georgette was 26 years junior, and Georgette's story is encapsulated in this award documentary-drama

Georgette's father en.wikipedia.org was one of the founders of the KMT, financed Sun Yatsen with no-limit, but was against the marriage


Georgette's (Eugene featured in the episodes) story is encapsulated in this award documentary-drama





... I do not know if Georgette was a Hakka, but one of her more famous paintings, and her pride, was of a Hakka family


OT, but re the difference between racism and ethnic pride, here is a good writeup, and Jack and the Coconut lives it, but no, the Hakkas are no longer persecuted anywhere of Greater China theindependent.sg

Racial pride vs. racism in Singapore - Singapore News

July 30, 2021


The Singapore government and Singaporeans face tension in opposing racism yet maintains pride in the heritage of their respective races.

This tricky balancing act is more pertinent given recent racist acts in this country, including an incident on Jun 5 when a Chinese man had made racist rebukes against a part-Indian man and part-Chinese woman for dating each other, as captured on video and reported in local media. To combat racism, Singapore commemorates Racial Harmony Day every year on Jul 21, which recently passed by.

The distinction among races is strengthened by the official racial classification of Chinese, Malay, Indian and Others (CMIO). The decades-old policy of the Singapore government, led by Singapore’s First Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, is bilingual education where Singapore students learn English and their mother tongue. Lee’s motivation for Singaporeans to know their mother tongue is to ensure they keep the culture of their ethnic group.

It is possible for Singaporeans of every ethnic background to maintain their culture and also harmony with other races. Examples from the history of China and Trinidad demonstrate this.

Chiang Kai-shek, the late Nationalist leader of China, insisted on the use of the Chinese language in his communications. When confronted with a complex technical term in English, he would ask why it was not expressed in Chinese, according to a book, “Thunder out of China”, by two Americans, Annalee Jacoby and Theodore White. Chiang had a racial pride, not a racist pride, said the book.

If Chiang was racist, he would have insisted all his grandchildren were pure Chinese. Instead, he gladly welcomed his Eurasian grandchildren, as well as the Russian wife of his son Chiang Ching-kuo and the Eurasian wife, born of a Chinese father and German mother, of his other son Chiang Wei-kuo.

Like Chiang Kai-shek, Lee Kuan Yew was proud of his Chinese heritage. At one time, he touted Confucian values, then extended that to Asian values to take into account the other Asian ethnic groups of Singapore.

Hakkas
Just as Chiang Kai-shek and Lee Kuan Yew were proud of their Chinese culture, I am proud of being partly Hakka. My father’s ancestors were Hakkas from Meizhou city in Guangdong province, China.

An illustrious Hakka from Meizhou was Marshal Ye Jianying, who helped arrest the Gang of Four in Oct 1976. The Gang of Four’s downfall paved the way for another Hakka, Deng Xiaoping, when he was China’s leader, to liberalize the Chinese economy, which resulted in China being the world’s second-largest economy today.

In the current and former Singapore governments, Hakkas include Lee Kuan Yew and his son, the current Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, two former Finance Ministers – Hon Sui Sen and Richard Hu, former Chief Justice Yong Pung How, former Supreme Court Judge Lai Kew Chai and Minister of Communications and Information Josephine Teo. But there is no Hakka privilege in Singapore. Lee Kuan Yew did not recruit ministers exclusively among Hakkas.

Other Hakkas in Chinese history include Yuan Chonghuan (a general who defeated the Manchu invaders several times during the early 17th century before he was unjustly executed by the Chinese emperor in 1630) and Xue Yue (a Nationalist general who repelled the Japanese invaders three times in the Chinese city of Changsha from 1939 to 1942).

Another Hakka who shared the same ancestral city of Meizhou with me was Eugene Chen, a foreign policy advisor during the 1920s to Sun Yat Sen, a Hakka who founded Republican China.

In 1931, Chiang Kai-shek appointed Chen as China’s foreign minister for about one year. Chen was born in Trinidad, so he and Lee Kuan Yew were both Hakkas who were born in hot tropical islands, Trinidad and Singapore respectively, and became senior government officials.

Eugene Chen married a Trinidad woman of mixed European and African blood, Agatha Alphosin Ganteaume. After she died, he married Zhang Li Ying, also known as Georgette Chen, a painter who was born in China and settled in Singapore. One of his sons by his Trinidad wife was Percy Chen, a lawyer, journalist and supporter of the Chinese Communist Party.

Loving the motherland
Percy Chen studied law and qualified as a barrister in London. Like Lee Kuan Yew, he acquired the tastes of an English gentleman and learnt Mandarin only in adult life. Percy Chen moved to Hong Kong in 1947 and founded the Hong Kong Bar Association in 1948.

In Hong Kong, he acted as a middleman between the Chinese Communist government and Western businessmen, journalists and diplomats. He was a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), an advisory body under the Chinese Communist government, and was invited by the Chinese government to witness in Dec 1984 the signing of Sino-British Joint Declaration on Britain’s handover of Hong Kong to China.

In 1979, he published his autobiography, “China called me: My Life Inside the Chinese Revolution”.

With Caucasian, African and Chinese Hakka blood, this racially mixed man felt a strong affinity for China. Percy Chen was not pure Chinese, yet proud of his Chinese roots. Like Chiang Kai-shek, Percy Chen had racial pride but was not racist. These two men are counter-examples to the abovementioned case of a Chinese man’s racist rant against interracial relationships.

It is the notable Hakkas of China, Singapore and other countries who contributed to my pride in my Hakka ancestry. But that does not make me a Hakka supremacist, any more than pride in Chinese civilization rendered Chiang Kai-shek and Percy Chen racist.

It is possible for a Singaporean to glory in being Hakka, or Teochew, Hokkien, Arab, Tamil, Sikh or Malay, yet respect other ethnic groups.

Toh Han Shih is chief analyst of Headland Intelligence, a Hong Kong risk consultancy. He is a Singaporean who lives in Hong Kong. The opinions expressed in this article are his own.

Send in your scoops to news@theindependent.sg



To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (194082)11/25/2022 8:03:47 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217750
 
the sentiments expressed in this song is difficult to argue with, but the troubles it leads to are arguably no-good


per Tsinghua University in China, arguably top 1 or 2 in China, next to Peking University, by students from all over the world, ethnic Chinese and otherwise, including UK, Brazil, Japan, France, Germany, Russia, Spain etc etc

am hopeful that the coconut gets to do a summer, a semester or a school year in either school.




performed at Harbourfront Centre, Toronto June 17, 2008 after attempting the Sugardaddy request of a little boy (who, rather than keep Billy struggling, changed his request to A New England) he then did this request of a little girl





am going to wild-guess, although I do not know, that the some main characters of the movie Reds are Jewish in origin(?)

bingo, spot-on, I wild-guessed correct

Maureen Stapleton is Emma Goldman—which is a difficult sentence to type. No screenplay could do real justice to Goldman without centering on her, but, in proportion, she's moderately well drawn in this script. Then the role of this Lithuanian-Jewish anarchist, this plowing battleship of a woman, was given to an Irish-American sentimentalist who seems to have trouble with long words.


newrepublic.com

Warren Beatty's Triumph
Stanley KauffmannDecember 16, 1981

Reds is both an accurate and a possibly misleading title. It's accurate because the two leading characters devote much of what we see of their lives to Communist activities. It's possibly misleading because the focus is on the people, not the activities. This is not, in essence or intent, a political work; it is biographical. Solanas's Hour of the Furnaces, Pontecorvo's Battle of Algiers, Wajda's Man of Marble are political films, which posit and explore political questions, then strongly support particular action about them: Reds is a patently different order of work. The people in it are politically inspired, but their convictions are explored only sufficiently to validate them. The film concentrates on the beings who gave themselves to certain issues, rather than the issues themselves.

A somewhat large analogy: Reds is to communism and the Bolshevik revolution what Hamlet is to Danish foreign policy: the work is inconceivable without its political context, but context is what it remains. All this is by way of explanation, not indictment. What Reds sets out to do, it does—in a number of ways—with power. Warren Beatty is the name with which critical comment must begin. Beatty produced Reds, collaborated on the screenplay (with the English playwright Trevor Griffiths), directed, and plays the leading male role. If Reds were not as good as it is, those facts about a three-and-a-half-hour film would still be impressive merely in terms of energy. But Red5 surges past statistical praise— and past the defects that I'll note. This film about John Reed and Louise Bryant is extraordinarily stirring.

When I reviewed a biography of Reed in The New Republic (November 4, 1967), I began with a summary of his life and said, "The story might have been contrived by a clever popular novelist." Reds proves that my term was wrong: as Beatty presents it, the story might have been written by F. Scott Fitzgerald if Fitzgerald had ever developed the political sense that Edmund Wilson tried to inculcate in him. Not just the period but the flavor, the hurts and mendings, the sense of golden yearning are fundamental Fitzgerald. Reds begins in 1915 when Reed is 28, five years out of Harvard, has already been a war correspondent in Mexico and Europe, has written a book of poems in Greenwich Village, has been the lover and companion of Mabel Dodge. He visits his native city of Portland, Oregon, where he meets Louise Bryant, then 21 and married to a dentist. The events of his life before their meeting are barely sketched: but to deal with only Reed's last five years, the picture needs every moment of the time it takes. It splashes through the roaring social and political currents of the day; it treats radical clashes as the hero's personal challenge; and (a true Fitzgerald theme) it shows the American hero's face turned often toward Europe—in Reed's case, toward European intellectual and ideological tradition, with even a hint of envy for the European miseries that had ultimately produced revolution.

To situate the film historically, Beatty has interwoven bits from interviews with Witnesses (his term), people who were contemporaries of Reed and Bryant, some of whom knew one or both. Always the Witnesses are seen against a dark background, so that they seem revenants, suspended in time. None of these speakers is identified, which was a mistake, I think: each could have been tagged on first appearance. I recognized some: Dora Russell, Rebecca West, Scott Nearing and—deceased since the filming Roger Baldwin, Arthur Mayer, Henry Miller, George Jessel. (He comments on popular music.) But I'd like to have known who all of them were.

Still the device helps: the Reed-Bryant story, private and political, is so wildly dramatic that these occasional comments act both as ballast and support. Louise and Jack become lovers in Portland; she follows him to New York, into his radical political and journalistic life—which featured antiwar activity— and she pursues a journalistic career of her own, They go to Provincetown where, though she loves Jack and marries him, she has an affair with the infatuated Eugene O'Neill. She and Jack quarrel; in June of 1917 she goes to France as a war correspondent. Jack finds her in France, persuades her to come with him to the "real story" in Russia; they witness the "ten days that shook the world"; they come home where he writes his eyewitness account. (No book ever had a truer title.) Then, after a split within U.S. Communist ranks. Jack returns to Russia—with great difficulty in 1919 to represent his group's interests in the plans for world revolution. He deals particularly with Grigory Zinoviev; accompanies Zinoviev and other functionaries on a railway trip through White-held territory to a conference in Baku; is caught in battle with the Whites on his return trip; is reunited in Moscow with Louise who has followed him to Russia; and he dies there of typhus in 1920. The film omits his interment under the Kremlin wall, though this is mentioned earlier by one of the Witnesses.

There's some material about Reed's possible disillusion with the Soviets before his death, or at least some fluctuation. Fourteen years ago, my review of the Reed biography brought me a letter from a 92-year-old Portland woman named Elizabeth Olsen who had known Louise well and wrote: "It is very difficult for me to believe that Jack recanted . . . [Louise and Jack] were romanticists but surely shrewd enough to realize there had to be a practical side to this world-shaking venture." I take this to mean that Olsen thought the Reeds would have foreseen some tempering of pure principle by the hard facts of governing. But according to Max Eastman and others, Louise said that Jack had become disheartened by Soviet behavior, that she had "to bolster up his morale." Because her words don't come to us through impartial people, the question of Jack's last beliefs will probably remain open, The film, rightly, leaves it that way.

The first, longer section of Reds (before intermission), ending with the ten days in Petrograd, is about two lovers whose personal life is stormy and whose public life is increasingly bound up with radical politics. The second section is about two people in political life—especially the man—who are lovers. This transition is conveyed by the finish of the first section. There are magnificent shots of the Petrograd masses marching up a wide street, carrying banners and singing the "Internationale," and these are intercut with shots of Jack and Louise making love in their Petrograd apartment while the march is going on. This juxtaposition seemed to me quite the opposite of cheap or sensational: it was emotionally and dramatically just, and it prepared for the shift of emphasis in Part Two.

I want so much to praise so much of Reds that I must get my objections out of the way. Chief is the choice of cinematographer, Vittorio Storaro, possibly selected for his work on Bertolucci's The Spider's Stratagem, The Conformist, and 1900, helped to make those political pictures look like confectionery. Perhaps Beatty wanted to underscore that his two leading characters were "romanticists," but the romantic colorings don't stop with them. Everything looks a bit too lush, and this hampers the historicity that Beatty achieves so well in other ways.

Jack Nicholson, as Eugene O'Neill, is Jack Nicholson. His role is written blandly, without individuation, and Nicholson does nothing to supply colors—he just floats through. He's too healthy-looking, anyway, for the gaunt O'Neill.

Maureen Stapleton is Emma Goldman—which is a difficult sentence to type. No screenplay could do real justice to Goldman without centering on her, but, in proportion, she's moderately well drawn in this script. Then the role of this Lithuanian-Jewish anarchist, this plowing battleship of a woman, was given to an Irish-American sentimentalist who seems to have trouble with long words.

Some characters have been snippedto near anonymity, presumably in the film editing. Gene Hackman's role as a labor editor is so reduced that it's now overinhabited by this good actor. Max Eastman and Floyd Dell are just names pinned on some actors who pass through. Paul Sorvino is arresting as Louis Fraina, the Italian-born leader of the splinter U.S. Communist group, but the editing leaves unexplained how he, too, got to Moscow in 1919 and was reconciled with Reed. And the success of Reed's book in the U.S., which stood him in good stead in Russia, is not even mentioned.

Beatty commits cutenesses. The Reeds have a dog that keeps trying to get into their bedroom when they make love. In their Petrograd apartment. Jack keeps hitting his head on the low chandelier. When Jack and Louise embrace on the train platform after his return from Baku, marshmallow music — by Stephen Sondheim—bloats the soundtrack. Near the end, when Louise goes down the hospital hall to get water for her sick husband, the tin cup accidentally drops from her hand with a clatter—a pat signal to us that, when she gets back to the room. Jack will be dead.

But so much of this immense film is so fine that all these flaws, and others that could be noted, cannot spoil it: they just seem inexplicable, which they would not be in a lesser picture. Begin the praise with Diane Keaton, a special pleasure because unexpected. "Louise was a very beautiful woman," Elizabeth Olsen wrote me. There's a certain style in which photographs show that to be true, and in that style, Keaton is beautiful, too—as she is dressed and lighted here. Her look and manner, sexual and mercurial, imperious yet tender, are the ground of Keaton's performance as the New Woman, a figurative sister of Isadora Duncan, entering the 20th century with an appetite for every freedom, with the air of a released prisoner's vengeance for wrongful past confinement. Nothing in Keaton's previous work prepared me for the fire and determination and fullness with which she lifts this woman into being. Allow for Beatty's perception of her possibilities, for the help he apparently gave her in direction; it's Keaton who did it, even triumphing over some bits of mouthy rhetoric that come her way. She is the legendary

Louise whom Jack needed. (Evidently Louise needed Jack even more. After a subsequent marriage that failed, she ended with a wretched, drugged, drunken death 16 years after he died.) Another extremely acute stroke was the casting of the novelist, Jerzy Kosinski, as Zinoviev. That Kosinski is a practiced and resourceful performer is no news to those who have known him in private life. I don't know that he has ever before done conventional acting, but he does it here, with razor sharpness and an authority that comes from precise knowledge of Soviet atmospherics. Beatty directs all the Soviet political meetings well, but Kosinski's presence in many of them contributes a wiry dynamics; and he contrasts provocatively with the openness of the fervent Reed.

In Reed, Beatty has found himself as an actor—has perhaps found areas of himself that surprised him. Beatty has sometimes done good work in the past, but this performance is on a new plane. He very clearly loves Reed, the entire, gifted, egocentric, passionate, foolish, large-spirited, aspiring man. It's as uncommon as it is wonderful to sense such love in an actor for a character, to see it result in such completeness of creation. Sherwood Anderson said of Reed: "I have never met a man who awakened so much quick affection in me." I believed this, and a great deal more, of Beatty's Reed. I wouldn't equate Beatty as artist with Laurence Olivier; still, Beatty gives here the best self-directed film performance since Olivier's Henry V.

As director, Beatty has inevitably had models, especially because of his subject. (There's even a sly reference to Eisenstein's October—Kerensky on the staircase of the Winter Palace—when Reed goes up those stairs to meet Kerensky.) If Beatty's directing has the lapses described, if it never shows a marked individual style, it has clarity and control almost all the time. And the large scenes—the political rallies in America, the ten days in Petrograd, the Soviet conclaves, the battle on the Baku line—are swirled out before us with the sweep of a generous dramatic imagination. No doubt Beatty is grateful to his two exceptional editors, Dede Allen and Craig McKay, and he certainly was blessed by the art direction of Richard Sylbert, but, warts and all, Beatty made this picture: and it's a big achievement.

Reds, as noted at the start, is not a revolutionary film. (Anyway, the very term "revolutionary film" is almost an oxymoron. Film is an expensive art; private capital or government subsidy is not often forthcoming for work intended to upset the status quo. With a few exceptions, the famous so-called revolutionary films are not insurrectional, they celebrate revolutions already made: e.g., the work of Eisenstein, Pudovkin, Vertov, Riefenstahl, Jancso.) Reds is not politically revolutionary, it's about two people caught up in revolutionary politics. It doesn't even ask, let alone answer, basic radical political questions.

But if no one will learn much about politics from this film, Beatty has nonetheless put the fire of two burning lives in it. There is plenty in it about the risks that commitment entails, but it is about commitment. Under the closing credits, one of the Witnesses says: " 'Grand things are ahead, worth living and dying for'—he always said that." It's not necessary to believe those words completely in order to be moved by them, to want to be moved by them. That’s something.



To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (194082)11/28/2022 6:30:08 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217750
 
usually called socialism toward the goal of communism.

Haim do you think that the Nordic countries want to be Communist ?

have said before socialism NEEDS capitalism.. it cannot function without it.. cannot advance without it.. Socialism is about fairness if opportunity ... well as fair as it can be... it will never be EQUAL.. and that is OK... Fair and equal are not the same... Communism is an abomination .. a destroyer of human spirit..

I hope socialistic countries have no wish to become communist... they will rot mostly if so..