Re <<Ukraine >> per The 2022 Holberg Debate w/ John Mearsheimer and Carl Bildt: Ukraine, Russia, China and the WestVIDEO ... always good to listen to all sides of the equation in order to get at the solution of the puzzler, but an observation, just saying, that CPC China China China is not actually a combatant, but busy building around the planet, whereas Ukraine, Russia, and USA are at the opposite of building. In any case, clip & pastes of comments mentioning CPC China China China at all It will be challenging for the US and its allies to deal with nuclear-armed Russia and China, considering their past attempts to introduce their democracy, values, regime change, nation-building, and rules-based order to the farmers of Vietnam (which caused the death of three million Vietnamese), Grenada, Yugoslavia, the goat herders of Afghanistan, Iraq (up to 1 million Iraqis died), Libya, Syria, etc. Russia: Let's be friends US: No EU: No China: Yes Global South: Yes China: Let's be friends US: No EU: Maybe Russia: Yes Global South: Yes The emergence of Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping as influential leaders can be partially attributed to actions taken by the United States. The US played a significant role in creating the political conditions for these leaders to rise to power. Within their respective countries, Putin and Xi are considered to be moderate figures in politics. However, the US and its allies do not recognize the legitimacy of Russia's and China's political systems and are seeking to alter them. Comparing someone to Hitler is an ineffective and inflammatory argument that detracts from the issue at hand. Such comparisons should be made with caution and evidence. For nearly 16 years, China has been tirelessly working to become a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO). However, their efforts have been met with significant resistance from the United States, its allies, and from home. Despite the challenges, China's membership was hurriedly approved on November 11th, 2001, just two months following the terrorist attacks. This momentous occasion marked a significant milestone for China's integration into the global economy. Since China's entry into the World Trade Organization in 2001, the country has played a significant role in driving global economic growth through the production and export of inexpensive goods and the maintenance of low inflation rates. To ensure that this growth is distributed more equitably, China has implemented policies aimed at reducing poverty and increasing access to infrastructure both within the country and abroad. These efforts have been successful, with an estimated 800 million people lifted out of extreme poverty. Additionally, the average wage in China has grown by more than 6% per year, while wages in the West have remained relatively stagnant. However, despite these positive developments, China's economic practices and political leaders are criticized, with former US President Donald Trump blaming China for US domestic issues. The Chinese are frustrated at being blamed for how other countries mismanage their domestic economic and social policies. Before the global financial crisis of 2008, the Chinese viewed their relationship with the United States as strong and looked up to the US as a leading economic and political power. However, the financial crisis caused the Chinese to question the competency of the US to effectively manage global affairs. In an attempt to bolster the US economy, A reluctant Hillary Clinton was dispatched to Beijing to persuade the Chinese to purchase more Treasury securities, which they did. However, the Chinese were unhappy when the US later implemented quantitative easing, which reduced the value of their Treasury holdings. The Obama administration proposed the G2 initiative (with China restricted to Asia and Australasia?), which aimed to establish cooperation between the US and China as the two leading global powers. However, the Chinese swiftly rejected this proposal as a US "trap" and in response, Obama proposed the "Pivot to Asia" strategy which shifted the focus of US foreign policy from the Middle East to Asia. This, along with the wargaming of a sea blockade of Chinese commercial ships on a global scale, the formation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which deliberately excluded China, the establishment of a 2500-strong US marine air-ground task force in Darwin, and an increase in the rotation of both US Air Force planes and US Navy vessels through Australian bases, alarmed the Chinese leadership. Unable to remain passive, hide their strength, and bide their time, Xi Jinping was selected as the leader of China in 2013 to implement more assertive policies aimed at making China more secure. These included the establishment of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), the China–Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the Belt and Road initiative, and the building of artificial islands in the South China Sea. These policies were a direct response to the perceived threat posed by the "Pivot to Asia" strategy. No country is excluded from joining the AIIB, RCEP or the Belt and Road initiative. Imagine a world where the tragic events of September 11, 2001, never occurred. In this alternate reality, it's likely that China would not have joined the World Trade Organization, leading to a lack of access to cheap goods from the country. This in turn could have caused a ripple effect, potentially leading to higher inflation and interest rates. Without the influx of inexpensive goods, consumer prices may have risen, making it harder for people to afford everyday items. Additionally, the lack of cheap money to fuel a real estate bubble may have prevented the global financial crisis from happening. Instead, the world could have gone back to a state of stagflation, characterized by low growth and high inflation. If Osama had held off his attack, China's rise would have been weakened considerably. The irony of Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, is that he was a direct result of the United States' involvement in the Soviet-Afghan War. The United States lured the Soviets into the Soviet-Afghan War to give the USSR its own version of the Vietnam War. The Soviet-Afghan conflict was a major factor in the dissolution of the Soviet Union. This highlights the complex and far-reaching consequences of foreign intervention.