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To: ggersh who wrote (201298)

9/9/2023 9:45:07 PM

From: TobagoJack

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RE N Korea - long ago (2006) held discourse with Hawkmoon

Message 22716154

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (8248)	8/13/2006 8:36:32 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (2) of 201352

Hello Ron, More war crimes will be committed in Iraq, under the flag of USA, for sure, as long as USA stay and does not win. Should USA leave Iraq, and neglect its self-burdened responsibility, betray its allies, and forfeit the worth of its words, events will deteriorate even more, but only until exhaustion. On above I trust we can agree, or not. I do not believe the USA will win in Iraq, because the USA track record in prolonged and nuanced conflict is not good since 1945. On <<And China's unwillingness to rein in their client state, N. Korea, is representative of the desire of some Chinese leaders to continue to use it as a pawn in their "great game" they are trying to play out in Asia. And don't tell me that China doesn't have "pull" in N. Korea. They have plenty, but they CHOOSE not to utilize it.>> ... you seriously over-value China's pull/push vis a vis N.Korea. As I related to you many years ago, the N.Koreans are fundamentalists, as indicated by willingness to commit suicide in submarine rather than be captured. Think about it, which nations regular armed forces is willing to do that these days? China is busy with its own needs, starting off with the feeding, clothing, housing, and educating of 1.3 billion folks every day. Under the circumstances, who is insane enough to pick a as still needless fight with them, until if / when it becomes absolutely necessary? Well, apparently America. But then America is also in Iraq. Chugs, J

Message 22716512

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (8259)	8/14/2006 1:40:23 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) of 201352

Ron, <<Now tell me that China doesn't have "pull" in Pyongyang??>> I told you before - China: "stop it, or we will cut off your accesses (in an act of overt hostility)" N.Korea: "No way, and go pound sand (you do and we will fight you)" Short conversation, since China has zero incentive and no stomach to fight N.Korea. China is busy. <<Millions of N. Koreans have starved because of the abuses of Pyongyang's "Dear Father-Dear Son" and it's powderkeg that will only grow more dangerous as the years go on.>> ... China's foreign policy is not founded on introducing change from the outside, but on each people to determine own poison. <<If Bejing can't understand the danger that exists from a regime that is so intransigent that it seems dead set upon a path of self-destruction, then they are fools.>> ... My interpretation is that China understands that change must be from within, and if N.Korea is set upon SELF-destruction, then it shall be. <<It need not result is "picking a fight" with Kim Jong Il>> ... this is where we differ on respective understanding of N.Korea. Get in their way, and they will fight. <<He certainly must set aside his delusions of re-uniting the two Koreas under his control>> ... Chinese foreign policy is not premised on telling any nation on what they must and must not do, - <<they have failed to step up to the plate and assume their share of the burden.>> ... but premised on, "do not catch other people's lice to put in own hair" As foreign policies go, it seems to work, especially for a nation that is otherwise very busy.