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To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (82888)11/27/2023 9:18:42 PM
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Lee Lichterman III

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My dad was robbed about half a dozen times in the 70's and early 80's.

Not once in the 90's.

His head teller was killed in front of his eyes in 1983. She died in his arms. He narrowly missed being murdered when the dude ran out and shot at him.

It is so much safer these days. You have no idea.

It just shows how Social Media has outstripped the human brain's ability to process information logically.

Regardless of how emotionally charged a person is, due process serves the public good in ways that are not always evident to the victims.

If the dude had murdered my dad, I would feel no different. Everyone deserves due process and their constitutional rights, no matter how reprehensible they may seem.



To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (82888)11/28/2023 9:16:39 AM
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>> It's the common theme we're told to ignore. That animal doesn't deserve a trial. Take them out, shoot them in the kneecaps and let them suffer until the shock makes them numb then gut them and leave them to die.<<

Don't presume to lecture me on what an animal is or how they should receive justice. Because I will show you an animal.

The Hi-Fi murders were the torture of five people resulting in three deaths during a robbery at the Hi-fi Shop, a home audio store in Ogden, Utah, on the evening of April 22, 1974. Several men entered the Hi-fi Shop shortly before closing time and began taking hostages. They were forced to drink corrosive drain cleaner, which the perpetrators believed would fatally poison their hostages, but instead caused burns to their mouths and throats. Further violence included kicking a pen into an ear and the brutal rape of an eighteen-year-old girl, before three of the victims were fatally shot. The two surviving victims were left with life-changing injuries.

Police only had enough evidence to convict three enlisted United States Air Force airmen: Dale Selby Pierre, William Andrews, and Keith Roberts; the three others involved were never caught. [4] Pierre and Andrews were both sentenced to death and executed for murder and aggravated robbery, while Roberts, who had remained in a getaway vehicle, was merely convicted of robbery. The crime became notorious for its extreme violence

With five people now held hostage in the basement, Pierre told Andrews to get something from their van. Andrews returned with a bottle in a brown paper bag, from which Pierre poured a cup of Drano-brand drain cleaner. Pierre ordered Orren to administer it to the other hostages, but he refused, and was bound, gagged, and left face-down on the basement floor.

Pierre and Andrews then propped the hostages into sitting positions and forced them to drink the Drano, telling them it was vodka laced with sleeping pills. It immediately caused blisters on the victims' lips, burnt their tongues and throats, and peeled the flesh around their mouths. [8] Ansley, still begging for her life, [9] was forced to drink the Drano, although Orren said she coughed less than the other victims. Pierre and Andrews tried to duct-tape the hostages' mouths shut to hold quantities of drain cleaner in and to silence their screams, but the oozing blisters prevented the adhesive from sticking. Orren was the last to be given the Drano, but seeing what was happening to the other hostages, allowed it to pour out of his mouth and then mimicked the convulsions and screams of his son and other hostages.

Pierre became angry because the deaths were taking too long, and were too loud and messy, so he shot Carol and Cortney Naisbitt in the backs of their heads, killing Carol but leaving Cortney alive. Pierre then shot at Orren Walker but missed. He fatally shot Stanley before again shooting at Orren, this time grazing the back of his head.

Pierre took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly raped her after telling Andrews to leave for 30 minutes. Afterwards, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head. According to Orren's testimony, her last words were "I am too young to die." [10]

Andrews and Pierre noted that Orren was still alive, so Pierre mounted him, wrapped a wire around his throat, and tried to strangle him. When this failed, Pierre and Andrews inserted a ballpoint pen into Orren's ear. Pierre stomped it until it punctured his eardrum, broke, and exited his throat. Pierre and Andrews went upstairs, finished loading equipment into their van, and left.[ citation needed]

Detective Deloy White, who responded to the scene, believing the killers might be in the crowd, put on a show for the gathered airmen. Speaking dramatically, he waved each piece of evidence in the air with tongs as he removed it from the dumpster. Later, he noted that most of the service personnel who gathered around the dumpster stood still and watched in relative silence, with the exception of two men, later identified as Pierre and Andrews, who paced around the crowd, speaking loudly and making frantic gestures with their hands. [3] The detective later received an award from the Utah branch of the Justice Department for his use of proactive techniques.[ citation needed]

Based on the two men's reactions to the evidence being removed from the trash bin, Andrews and Pierre were taken in for questioning. A search warrant was then issued for their barracks. Police found fliers for the Hi-Fi Shop and a rental contract for a unit at a public storage facility. Following the issuance of another search warrant, stereo equipment taken from the Hi-Fi Shop, later identified via serial numbers, was recovered from the storage unit. Also recovered was the half-empty bottle of Drano. A few weeks later, a third airman, Keith Roberts, was taken into custody after he was identified through questioning on the base as a participant in the robbery. [3]

I knew Deloy, he moonlighted as a bouncer at the restaurant I was washing dishes at. I was 14 at the time.

After the conviction Deloy was picked to be on the firing squad for their execution. In a firing squad there are 5 rifles, 4 have live rounds and one has a blank. This is done so there will always be doubt that you killed.

Deloy told me he was going to take a live round in with him, open the bolt and if he had the blank he was going to put the live round in his rifle.

Now the cops all knew who the other 3 were. There was not enough evidence to charge them.

Why didn't any of the cops do as you suggested? Just kill them and become Judge jury and executioner?

Because when you step outside of the law and become a vigilante.

You become the animal you so hate.