To: craig crawford who wrote (12527 ) 2/18/1998 3:30:00 PM From: The Phoenix Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 77400
Craig, << You're always so negative >> Oh really? How would you know? Based on your past rants on this thread....<< Are you still hoping for a pull back >> No, I'm hoping C$CO goes to 200 while I'm short. Whatever.... if you find that amusing...<< EPS estimates for the year are between $1.69 and $1.77 of which .92 is in the bag already >> So if C$CO has 0.92 in the first 2 Q's of 1998 and they are supposed to earn $1.69-1.77 for the year (I'll use the higher $1.77 number) that would leave a balance of 0.85 cents. Considering how C$CO earned 0.92 in the first half you are expecting C$CO to earn less money in the second half than they did in the first? How can they justify your PE of 50 with that kind of "growth". Yes you did the same math I did.... It appears to me that they beat those numbers easy. Now I will say that the .92 cents has a non-diluted Q1 in it. If the 1.77 is fully diluted then we're more in line. Even so, $1.77 seems an easy number to beat... AND at $1.77 CSCO is near 100 easy.<< I should add that Cisco was one of very few networkers that hit their earningsestimates in the face of this weakness >>That's because they report a month or two later than the other networkers so analysts have plenty of time to hack the numbers when they see crumby numbers from the rest. This is CSCO, not ASND.. hehehehe.. Cisco does report a month after other networkers but show me where analysts dropped earnings expectations on CSCO after one of their bretheren missed. I'm open for correction on this. A URL would be great. << Third, yes it's true that CSCO revenues have increased at a slower 30% rate for the first two quarters of 98 >> Try 26.6% for the last Q. The quarter before that was a 30.2% revenue gain. That would be an average of around 28.4% revenue growth for the first 2 quarters of 1998, not 30%. Pardon me for rounding. 30 lashes for me.... Furthermore it is slowing, like I said 26.6% for the latest Q. Their EPS gains were even worse. Only up 26% for the first 2 quarters of 1998. Can we expect revenue growth of only 20% for next quarter? Yes, I think I mentioned this myself. This is a fact and one that we should be concerned with. However it is my understanding the some of this is due to overseas softness and a reduced amount of spending amoung the RBOC's. I wish I had the URL for this last event but it was posted here and on the ASND thread about 3 months back. I think that this will change. Take a look at Network World's Feb 16 issue. pg 1, pg. 56; (in fact take a look at pratically any Network World over the past month).Communications News Feb 98 issue, pg 88; and a slew more every week that come across my desk...I see. The economy is going to just keep on growing at the same pace that it has right up through 2000. There will be no setbacks, recessions, crisis, etc. You are too complacent my friend. That always happens near the end of an economic expansion. It has been so long since we have had a slowdown in our economy that people forget that they can even occur. Aha! Now you bring up a completely different issue. Before you said that John should "stop flapping his jaw and get to work" if the company's going to be a $20B company by 2000. Well if the economy tanks nothing John does will make this happen. I think his comments are based on a status quo assumption. I agree that if the economy tanks then perhaps CSCO does miss. However this was not an underlying assumption in your first message which was: I don't know how Chambers expects to have revenues of $20B by 2000. That would imply a 40% growth rate for the next few years. Cisco could only muster 26% last quarter. Just remember Chambers also promised 30-50% growth last year. Hasn't happened for the last few quarters. Chambers better stop flapping his gums and get back to work. First of all I never sais that John Chambers wasn't capable or successfull at running C$CO. My problem is C$CO has not delivered on it's promises as of late yet the street bids the stock up anyway. Yes it does sound like your problem. I have no problem with the job Chambers is doing, I just have a problem with the street who buys into the promises, and then doesn't care when they aren't delivered on. Again, your problem... don't make it ours. However, you did target John. As for Cisco not delivering. They are the leaders until such time as they get taken out. So, they are in fact delivering for their investors... which my good friend.... is what counts ;0Second of all what does my capabilites of running Cisco have to do with anything? Nothing. you have none. That's why you shouldn't take shots at CEO's or others that you have no knowledge of. You can short a company without talking down the people.Are you saying that you shouldn't short companies who have CEO's that are more capable than yourself? What a stupid argument. I don't think I said anything like that. I simply said that if you feel he's doing a poor job perhaps you could enlighten us with your fabulous abilities. ;)All of the CEO's that drove AAPL into the ground are more capable than me. If I would have been running Apple I would have ran it into the ground in one month rather than several years. Thanks for sharing. This doesn't surprise me. Gary