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To: Pat Garaffa who wrote (28499)2/19/1998 11:09:00 PM
From: stock4U  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 41046
 
ALL READ INSIDE

New Telco Player Has Strong Hand
By Randy Barrett
January 23, 1998 2:12 PM PST
Inter@ctive Week

Peter Kiewit Sons' Inc. and former MFS
Communications Co. Inc. executives have
teamed up to create an Internet-based
telephone company called Level 3
Communications Inc.

The start-up carries the MFS pedigree right into
the corner office held by Chief Executive Officer
James Crowe, who founded MFS in 1989 with
$500 million in Kiewit backing and ran the
company until it was sold to WorldCom Inc. for
$14.3 billion in 1996. But this time, the game
plan is bigger.

"We want to be a telephone company that is fully
interconnected, but we want to do it within an
Internet Protocol cloud," Crowe told Inter@ctive
Week. "Our goal is to make every fax and phone
a terminal to access our IP [Internet Protocol]
network."

Crowe isn't starting from scratch. Level 3,
pending government approval, will fold together
Kiewit Diversified Group Inc. and PKS
Information Services Inc. The Diversified Group
includes the companies' telecommunications
business, among others; PKS offers
outsourcing and other computer services.

The new company will be 1,200 employees
strong with expertise in computer integration
and telecommunications, Crowe said.

The new company also will benefit from a hefty
$2.5 billion infusion of Kiewit (www.kiewit.com)
capital that Crowe plans to spend building a
new international fiber network over
rights-of-way being negotiated.

Crowe intends for Layer 3 to be every bit as
revolutionary as MFS was in the late '80s when
it pioneered the competitive local access
industry and challenged the regional Bells. The
new company plans to offer end-to-end
IP-based telephone service -- both local and
long-distance -- as well as wholesale and retail
Internet access, all on one bill.

The gambit will put Layer 3 in direct competition
with the country's major telcos, such as AT&T
Corp., MCI Communications Corp., Sprint
Communications Co. and WorldCom.

"We're in the middle of a fundamental change --
the same as the telegraph to the telephone,"
Crowe said. "IP enjoys a 100-to-one cost
advantage" over switched networks.

Future cheap services will depend on advances
in IP technology that Crowe expects will be
achieved in the three years it will take to build
the Layer 3 network. The network will cost
between $8 billion and $10 billion with
additional capital likely coming from public
sources.

The plan is risky, said Internet consultant Joel
Maloff. "It's one heck of a flier. The marketplace
can change very rapidly in three years. You have
to be very good and very lucky," he said.

For the past few weeks, Layer 3 has been
quietly recruiting salespeople and IP technicians
from MCI, Sprint and UUnet Technologies Inc.
More than 150 have been hired to date.

Layer 3's headquarters location has not been
finalized. Denver, Northern Virginia and Silicon
Valley are prime candidates, Crowe said.

The Builder

Peter Kiewit Sons' Inc. At-A-Glance

www.kiewit.com

Founded: 1884, privately held

Headquarters: Omaha, Neb.

Business: Diversified holdings in construction,
coal mining, energy, telecommunications, cable
TV and computer integration services

Revenue: $2.1 billion for the nine months ended
Sept. 30,1997

Divisions: Kiewit Construction Group Inc., Kiewit
Diversified Group Inc.

Plans: The company will spin off its Diversified
Group to create Layer 3 Communications Inc., a
new telephone company that will offer
Internet-based fax, telephony and Internet
services.



To: Pat Garaffa who wrote (28499)2/20/1998 1:34:00 AM
From: X Y Zebra  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 41046
 
Irrelevant Post (IP)
Re: Reply to Mr. Garaffa. "exclude" button.

>>I just assumed your "exclude button" comment was meant for me. Your above comment was posted last night immediately following my post in which I poked fun at the recent wine conversations between yourself, Vic and Jack.<<


While one could make the same assumption, it was a mere coincidence that my post followed immediately yours. I copied my post below, an as you can see it was made in response to Mr. Klimpl's proposal for a whino thread.

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To: +vic klimpl (28416 )
From: +x y zebra
Thursday, Feb 19 1998 1:17AM EST
Reply # 28418 of 28501

I will second that.

exclude button should be in force!

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>>I like the idea of the "topic title" if we all agree to try it. I'm not keeping count, but it appears from the posts that the votes are an overwhelming "yes" to keeping the serious stuff, as well as the clutter, all on the same thread. Anything to speed up the reading of
these posts would help.<<

I thought it would be helpful and would identify posts and make the whole process more efficient...

However, if you see post # 28492

I became the victim of my own medicine!!

See below (post copied):

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To: +x y zebra (28490 )
From: +Dave Grant
Thursday, Feb 19 1998 7:39PM EST
Reply # of 28501

X,

May I humbly suggest further, that we each classify our posts as:

1. on topic and really important
2. on topic and so-so
3. on topic but untrue
4. on topic but boring
5. off topic and really important
6. off topic and really annoying
7. off topic and poster doesn't care
8. partly on topic and partly off topic
9. more on topic than off
10. more off topic than on
11. totally irrelevant, but necessary to poster's survival
12. relevant, but just plain dumb

I'm sure there are other possibilities. This post is a number 12.

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So, I will give it a try for a while and then take it from there...

>>Like I stated earlier, I'll play lemming just like the next guy and go with the flow.<<

Very dangerous statement (potentially), Mr. Garaffa, One must never assume that the next guy is as honorable or trustworthy as oneself...

People will take the advantage if you let them, and without asking.

Napoleon said that: "People have the governments they deserve". The man of course was a Tyrant, and I am sure he knew a thing or two about deceit. Much like today's politicians.

>>p.s. What the hell is "bladderbla" anyway?<<

According to Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary:

Bladder: a membranous sac or organ serving as a receptacle for a fluid or gas, ........ # 5 an air-filled sac, usually to resemble a club used for beatings in low comedy, vaudeville, or the like. # 6 anything inflated, empty, or unsound: "to prick the bladder of one's foolish pride", "a great pompous bladder of a man".

Then I added the term bla, as in blah, blah, blah (I should have spelled it with the "h", but I didn't, in order to give a more "foreign" flavor).

The term would refer to a bag filled with gaseous "matter", this in itself is open to a wide interpretation...

In Klimpelean curve terms this same term would be I believe: "ya de ya de ya" or something along those lines.

In short, bladderbla = inflated bullshit. as it can be demonstrated by the above paragraphs.

Verstand?