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To: bobby beara who wrote (7736)2/20/1998 1:23:00 PM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116762
 
The Reader's Digest Great Encyclopedic Dictionary says:

Fiat Money = "Paper money made legal tender by decree,
as of a government, and not based on gold or silver reserves nor necessarily convertible into coin".



To: bobby beara who wrote (7736)2/20/1998 1:55:00 PM
From: strack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116762
 
Why only the physical metal? Consider two investors, "A" & "B". "A" invests in gold bullion at $300/oz. while "B" invests in the stock of a selected producer "C" with total production costs of, say, $250/oz. (implying a "simple" margin of $50/oz. or 20%). Assume, now, that the POG rises to $350/oz. Investor "A" sells his bullion for a profit of about 16.7% - not bad; however, the profits of producer "C", would now have doubled from $50/oz. to $100/oz., its margin increasing from 20% to 40%. Assuming equity market efficiency, does this not imply a potential 100% gain for investor "B"?



To: bobby beara who wrote (7736)2/20/1998 1:58:00 PM
From: Alex  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116762
 
Nice post bobby. From USA Gold site.................

!!!!IMPORTANT ANALYSIS TODAY READ CAREFULLY!!!!!

MARKET UPDATE (02/20/98) AM-----Gold was down this morning in quiet, directionless trading. The lack of news had traders on the side-line waiting to see which way the metal was going to go. Silver's getting hammered while Warren Buffett continues to take delivery of massive amounts in London. Physical silver in the U.S. continues to be bid at 50› to 60› below the posted spot prices in New York. Much of the silver in the United States is in the form of 100 oz. bars. These are non-deliverable loco London and have to be remelted into acceptable 1000 ounce bars. There is a cost involved for remelting. In addition all the refineries are booked solid for meltdown. With the market in backwardation, clearing houses in the United States, and around the world, are having to pay double interest -- once to buy the silver from the public and second, as a penalty, for the market being in backwardation when they try to forward the metal. THIS IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO SELL SILVER. HOLD and WAIT. Some questions have arisen why Buffett is taking delivery in London. There is a reason for it and it would be interesting to know why he has chosen London over U.S. storage. A respected source of USAGOLD says that Buffett's sending the silver to London may have to do with the suits filed by the short sellers who have been caught in this market. The suit has been a failed attempt to put a stop to Buffett's purchases with NYMEX coming out publicly against the short sellers. All of this is an interesting story which will be covered in depth in the next issue of News & Views.

All of the things that have happened to silver in recent months could happen to gold in the future. Do not forget that Berkshire-Hathaway is only one of many mutual funds that could be moving into the precious metals markets in the months and years to come. If you are a physical buyer of gold, there is very strong incentive to acquire gold now while you can at reasonable prices. The central bank selling and lending is coming to the end of the road with the launching of the new gold-backed euro. Today the ruling LDP party in Japan came out for a greater role for the yen in Asia. "Can we keep depending on the dollar?" said Shin Sakurai, a senior LDP official. "Europe will be using two main currencies, the dollar and euro. We are looking into a new currency system where the yen will play a central role." This is nothing new, fellow goldmeisters. It is something talked about in THE ABCs of GOLD INVESTING when others kept it from the public. The central bankers have been talking about a tri-currency system to replace the dollar for at least two years. The concept first publicly surfaced at a conference of central bankers in London in late 1996. The mainstream press has simply dropped the ball on this like they have so many other important issues to the American people. This will be an unmitigated disaster for the dollar as all that fiat currency will be looking for a home -- inflation will skyrocket in the U.S. We doubt that you will see much in the way of realistic analysis on this subject from the mainstream press in the futre. This announcement by the ruling LDP party is more posturing before the big G-8 meeting in London. It will be no doubt rancorous like other recent meetings with all sides sniping at each other. There is no doubt though that the dollar is being thrown over the side and those engineering the upcoming dollar tragedy do not want the American public aware of it, or get an inkling of its consequences. It is fitting that it takes place in London where so much of the intrigue in recent years has been centered.



To: bobby beara who wrote (7736)2/20/1998 5:56:00 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116762
 
We have a FIAT currency???!! ... wow

Friend of mine had a Fiat once - dam thing was always out of tune, rusting out, paint peeling, upholstery biodegrading, etc, etc... he sold it at a big loss. Maybe we should have a silver currency, since it is suddenly, inexplicably, cheaper all of a sudden;
165.247.180.114 (of course, that happens with Fiats too)

..... cheers all, have a good week-end ........... marcos

PS - humour credits to, uh .... bobby beara, Mohan thread



To: bobby beara who wrote (7736)2/20/1998 11:04:00 PM
From: CuriousGeorge  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116762
 
Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin

The essence of banking was once explained by Sir Josiah Stamp, a former president of the Bank of England:
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin... Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... Take this great power away from them, or if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit."

The last great abuse of our banking system caused the depression of the 1930's. Today's abuses may cause another. Past and Current S&L and bank scandals, illegal receipt of campaign funds, illustrate the on-going relationships between banks, lawyers, politicians, and government agencies (look at the BCCI bank scandal, involving lawyer Clark Clifford, politician Jimmy Carter, the Watergate and Mena Airport scandals involving William Clinton and others, all involving the Federal Reserve, the FDIC, and even the FBI and the CIA, scandals even too numerous to mention). These scandals are the direct result of years of law-breaking by an alliance of bankers and lawyers using their influence and money to corrupt the political process and rob the public. (Do you think you're not being robbed? Guess who's going to pay the bill for the excesses of the banks, lawyers, politicians, and government agencies? You are! -- in money, work, sweat, blood and tears!)

The systematic robbery of productive individuals by parasitic bankers and lawyers is not a recent phenomenon. This abuse is a human tradition that predates the Bible and spread from Europe to America despite early colonial prohibitions.

When the first United States Bank was chartered by Congress in 1790, there were only three state banks in existence. At one time, banks were prohibited by law in most states because many of the early settlers were all too familiar with the practices of the European goldsmith banks.

Goldsmith banks were safe-houses used to store client's gold. In exchange for the deposited gold, customers were issued notes (paper money) which were redeemable in gold. The goldsmith bankers quickly succumbed to the temptation to issue "extra" notes, (unbacked by gold). Why? Because the "extra" notes enriched the bankers by allowing them to buy property with notes for gold that they did not own, gold that did not even exist.

Colonists knew that bankers occasionally printed too much paper money, found themselves over-leveraged, and caused a "run on the bank". If the bankers lacked sufficient gold to meet the demand, the paper money became worthless and common citizens left holding the paper were ruined. Although over-leveraged bankers were sometime hung, the bankers continued printing extra money to increase their fortunes at the expense of the productive members of society.
(The practice continues to this day with the Federal Reserve System, and offers "sweetheart" loans to bank insiders, and even provides the foundation for deficit spending and the federal government's unbridled growth of the federal debt.)

If the colonists forgot the lessons of goldsmith bankers, the American Revolution refreshed their memories. To finance the war, Congress authorized the printing of continental bills of credit in an amount not to exceed $200,000,000. The States issued another $200,000,000 in paper notes. Ultimately, the value of the paper money fell so low that they were soon traded on speculation from 1000 to 5000 paper bills for one coin.

It's often suggested that our Constitution's prohibition against a paper economy -- "No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a tender in Payment of Debts" -- was a tool of the wealthy to be worked to the disadvantage of all others. But only in a "paper" economy can money reproduce itself and increase the claims of the wealthy at the expense of the productive.

"Paper money," said Pelatiah Webster, "polluted the equity of our laws, turned them into engines of oppression, corrupted the justice of our public administration, destroyed the fortunes of thousands who had confidence in it, enervated the trade, husbandry, and manufactures of our country, and went far to destroy the morality of our people."