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To: i-node who wrote (325136)3/6/2025 11:11:40 AM
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To: i-node who wrote (325136)3/6/2025 11:26:34 AM
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Can you name, say 5, of those advantages? Specifically those that no one else has. I mean, the supercharger network is a huge one. But others can access it, so...

But, use it to pad things out if you want.



To: i-node who wrote (325136)3/6/2025 12:01:09 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 364843
 
There are lots of EVs, for sure, but Tesla is far ahead and, likely, will never lose its advantage.

That is a typical nodist absolute and silly comment.

This Chinese EV has surpassed Tesla’s Model 3, and Model Y is next
Fred Lambert | Mar 5 2025 - 9:15 am PT
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The Tesla Model 3, once the most popular EV in the critical Chinese EV market, has been quickly surpassed by the Xiaomi SU7, and now they are going after Tesla’s Model Y.

Is the mystical prophecy of the “Tesla killer” finally coming true?

As impressive as Tesla’s entry into the Chinese market was, Xiaomi’s own EV venture in China has been even more remarkable.

Tesla was the first foreign automaker to secure a wholly-owned car factory in China. It built it and started production at the plant in record time, an incredible moment for the EV industry in China and globally.

Within the first 6 months of Model 3 production at Gigafactory Shanghai in 2020, Tesla built around 50,000 vehicles, which was unprecedented.

Xiaomi, better known for its electronics, produced 70,000 SU7 EVs in the first six months of production last year.

In its first full year of production, Xiaomi came out of nowhere and outsold Tesla’s Model 3 in the critical Chinese market.

In January, Tesla sold about 8,000 Model 3s in China, while Xiaomi delivered more than 22,000 SU7 EVs. This trend is expected to continue.

It’s not too surprising to see why. The base Xiaomi SU7 starts at 20,000 Yuan cheaper (~$2,500 USD) than the Model 3 and offers a bigger battery pack with 10% more range, as well as many tech features that Tesla doesn’t provide, like a heads-up display.

It even has a rear mini fridge, and since we are comparing it to Tesla, it also has a turn signal stalk.

The most unambiguous indication that the SU7 has taken over the Model 3 is the wait times.

Despite SU7 production already being higher than Model 3, you can get a Model 3 within “1-3 weeks” of ordering, while you have to wait “31-34 weeks” for a new SU7, according to Xiaomi’s online configurator:

If anything, the long wait times on the SU7 are helping Tesla as some can’t wait that long for a new car. However, Xiaomi is still ramping up production.

Speaking of production, Xiaomi took clear inspiration from Tesla. The SU7 is using large casting parts, which Tesla calls “gigacasting” and Xiaomi calls “hypercasting.”

The Chinese company is also using a similar design as what Tesla calls “structural battery pack”, where the pack is a structural part of the vehicle’s chassis.

Interestingly, Tesla uses these features on the Model Y but hasn’t transferred them to the Model 3 yet. Xiaomi uses them on the SU7, its Model 3 competitor – giving it an advantage, and it will do the same on its upcoming Model Y competitor.

That’s where Tesla needs to worry.

Model Y is by far Tesla’s best-selling car, and China is the world’s biggest EV market by a wide margin. What the SU7 did to Model 3, Xiaomi’s upcoming YU7 is likely to do to Model Y.

Xiaomi is going to start production of the YU7 this summer and it is expected to ramp up production just as quickly as it did with the SU7.

It compares similarly to Model Y as SU7 compares to Model 3.

Fortunately for Tesla, the new competition comes as it updated the Model Y, which should help – although current wait times on new orders do point to soft demand for the new version.

Is there finally a “Tesla killer?”

Electrek’s Take As I was writing and researching this article, by the way big hat tip to Troy Teslike for helping a ton with research for this, I was reminded of the legend of the “Tesla killer.”

It’s a term that the media loved to use every time a legacy automaker launched a new EV in the early days of Tesla. We laughed at them for even suggesting it, as they would apply it to vehicles that didn’t match Tesla’s performance, production volumes, or profitability.

Sure enough, none of them came even close to negatively affecting Tesla, let alone “killing” the company.

But Xiaomi is coming as close as I’ve ever seen in my 15 years of covering Tesla (coming on 10 years full-time professionally).

Let’s be clear: Xiaomi owes Tesla quite a bit for its EV success. The automaker pioneered gigacasting and structural battery packs, and Xiaomi followed suit to great success. I am sure these are not the only Tesla features that inspired Xiaomi.

With that said, this is the reality now, and Tesla is getting left behind.

Tesla benefited from being a foreign brand in China. Buyers saw it as a luxury brand, but the company is now a victim of its own success. The cars became so popular that the brand deteriorated, and it is not seen as premium or exclusive anymore.




To: i-node who wrote (325136)3/6/2025 1:38:49 PM
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Yeah, Musk is a real gem.

He just cuts food and medical aid to 58 million starving people, and many of them starving children!

And he did it with a smile on his face, and a bucket of lies about the reason!!!

Musk isn't worth a cup of cold spit!

A terrible human being, and he loves the Nazi's!

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There are lots of EVs, for sure, but Tesla is far ahead and, likely, will never lose its advantage.

As you know, Musk does not normally use patents. His rationale is that Tesla should always work hard enough to be far enough ahead in the technology that it isn't in a problem. He's fine with allowing the other automakers to follow a few years behind. His objective is to proliferate EVs, not to inhibit competition.

That's why he allows other brands to use Tesla charging technology.