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To: Mannie who wrote (344096)8/10/2025 3:12:06 PM
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  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 362035
 
Sure we'll see some manufacturing increase in the US, but a lot of businesses will go away, while others spin their wheels until they have more long term vision.
I don't know, and you don't know, exactly how this will play out.

But it makes sense to me that we need to be producers of goods as well as consumers.

If John Deere -- as it did a couple years ago -- moves massive operations to Mexico then sells the equipment back to us for the same prices as it was before, we have lost something (jobs) that sucks the blood out of our country and into another (it, of course, also sucks blood into its corporate system without providing jobs for Americans).

This doesn't seem complicated to me. Obviously, if you do nothing but consume, and you produce less and less, you first become dependent, then you go broke. That is going to be the end game.

You, you can try to justify it any way you like but it is untenable for us to keep doing what we were doing before.

We're going to try this for a while and see how it works. If it doesn't work we'll fix it then.



To: Mannie who wrote (344096)8/10/2025 3:57:41 PM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 362035
 
Sure we'll see some manufacturing increase in the US

A huge problem is that there are almost no businesses that operate with raw materials rolling in one side and manufactured goods rolling out the other. Almost everyone sources one or more key component from someone else. The more complicated the item, the longer that chain is likely to be. And at every step, there is a chance that tariffs become a factor. The number of items marketed in this country that have every step of their manufacturing relies solely on domestic sources, including the machines used to make those various subassemblies are small, uncomplicated and stand a fair chance of being a specialty item.

You don't just wave a wand and wish those things in existence. Based on New Zealand's experience, what happens is that the economy clotheslines. More effort is spent on finding workarounds than trying to bootstrap everything required. And that results in a slow, downhill spiral as costs start to accrue non-productive costs like barnacles. Routing through third parties, using lesser quality supplies and bribery start to take their byte. There are social costs, too.

Bottom line, any increases are eaten by decreases in other areas as everyone tries to game the system. If you want to deliberately design a system to maximize abuse, it is one that depends heavily on tariffs. Just look at the US government during the glory days of the Gilded Era. Best government money could buy. For those with money. For everyone else, the 1800s was a period of declining standards of living, growing poverty, a population that was shrinking in numbers, immigration was the only thing that kept the US from collapsing, but in bodily parameters due to rampart malnutrition.`