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To: gregor who wrote (587)	3/3/1998 11:14:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

I wish I could send that link to several threads. It seems we should just do it sometimes, but they don't appreciate it, to say the least. Perhaps God will divinely lead those who would benefit here so they can see for themselves. I'm sure this happens as it should. There is something very strange that happens in all Walks, at all times in history, because too many Christians have written about it from hindsight. John Bunyan, who spent 16 years in an English dungeon for street preaching in London in the 1600's I believe, and that was a lot worse, a LOT worse, than, say, 16 years in a contemporary Turkish prison, for sure. The first time he was in the result was Pilgrims Progress. But then a little later he wrote the Holy Wars. There is an LP of the Holy Wars that I highlly recommend--4 stars-- and all I remember is the female narrator toward the end says in desperation to the people the story is addressed to: He's Gone! He's Gone--and you don't even know when He left!!! Almost a paraphrase. I need to hear or read it again. At first all of which you speak is so totally clear it blots out all other reality. That's why the new convert can convert the world before he/she is slowly turned off by religious observations and rituals of charismatic or catholic origin. Ritual for other Christians is still ritual, no matter how it is sliced, it is still baloney. Then at some point, in my case certainly, you look around at mankind and roll your eyes and go, "who cares? Lord, I just can't stand any of them." However, I rather forget that I was once the person that disgusted me that I no longer care to inhabit the same planet with--right? Interesting. I'm trying to wake from slumber so Christ can give me life, Gregor, and I thank you for helping me as often as you do. May we all rise from our slumber so Christ can give us His life. Having experienced it in very small part, it is much more exciting than all of the pleasures of the world heaped in a pile. I believe Paul has already put that message across. Unfortunately getting back to our first Love, and that place of our first salvation is kind of like a victim of a motorcycle accident. It seems to take months and months of difficult therapy forcing everything to move again once we fall back into Laodecia. And for some, much worse than that. In Laodecia it is very easy to walk out the door and re-enter the world with more appreciation for it than ever. At first it just doesn't seem a whole lot different from church. That is why the church scares me sometimes. I have reasons for everything I say. Right or wrong, I do have reasons. The devil is very good at what he does, and he has perfected his craft of destroying the work of the Holy Spirit on earth wherever it appears. Then the Holy Spirit must once again start from scratch somewhere else, it seems. This I see from history. And from my experience personally watching it. It was just like the Holy Wars. And of course Jesus Christ is in complete opposite to what the human soul usually wants to do and say. That is the Holy War within. It's all very interesting, and I always love to discuss it. Father God in Heaven, I pray that all here may be blessed with the Mind and Heart and Soul of Jesus Christ, which is the Holy Spirit, which is You manifested among us. Amen.

To: gregor who wrote (587)	3/3/1998 4:06:00 PM
From: wallstreeter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

I agree greg 100% with you on this . I dont think well fully understand how much god really loves us while we are in these bodies,thats why faith is so important to have. The faith to believe in something you dont see physically but you know in your heart god exists and we believe this one hundred percent. His path isnt the easiest to follow but his rewards to us are so much greater than anything we could ever hope to give to the lord. he didnt have to give us the chance to be saved , but im sure glad he did :) . Thanks again for your help on the message board and may god bless you and everyone else here.