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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: doby who wrote (17891)	3/3/1998 8:44:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 108807

doby, these kind of discussions go back a long way. No matter what the discussion is, inevitably Christine finds a way to twist it into blaming the Christians in one way or another. Her latest post was just one in a long series of examples. If your new to reading feelings I can understand how you could get the wrong impression. I don't believe education is the only key to helping keep kids off the street. If you had gone back far enough on this thread you would have discovered that. I have talked many times about the importance of the two parent family in numerous post on this thread, which when broken up is at the root of many of our social problems. Having a stable family, with involved loving parents is the only real answer to the teenage homeless problem long term. Unfortunately, we have replaced the state for the father in far too many families. And have a portion of the population that believes any behavior is alright, with a who are you to judge me mentality. A perfect illustration of this is to look at how many people think it's perfectly alright for a married President to be having sex with a 21 year old intern in the Oval Office. Hey! Whatever makes him happy, after all the market is up! Huh? I also believe the schools have played a part in this travesty. Too many high school and junior high kids cannot read, this leads to despair, which is sometimes acted out by going on the street to sell their bodies for money. It's tough to get a decent job if your illiterate and 17. I don't need a bunch of statistics to know that, I have spoken with these kids. This accounts in far more teenagers being on the street than the notion that a bunch of Christians dumped them there! Of course who are we to doubt the statistics of a television show?? You know, the same one which cost thousand of farmers their livelyhood in Washington State with the Alar in Apples scare?? We have also removed the moral component of the "Ten Commandments" in our schools and have instead replaced it with an "any behavior is alright, don't judge my behavior" mentality. Handing out condoms instead of phonics books, and caring more about a childs self esteem, instead of caring if they learned how to READ! If a child spent 12 years in a school district, and if after that twelve years the child cannot read. They should fire that child's principle and school superintendent immediately. Or at least hold a board to explain WHY! Can you give me an explanation as to how a child can spend 12 years in a school system and not know how to read? And lastly, what would you imagine some of the negative effects of not knowing how to read would be? Michael

To: doby who wrote (17891)	3/3/1998 9:06:00 PM
From: MSB	Respond to of 108807

Hey ya, See what happens when ya stay home to make money in the market via the massive availability of information. Ya start to wander around a bit, stop by for a harmless comment, and all of a sudden you find yourself in the midst of a clod fight. The ones that really suck are the ones when there is a big heavy wet snow, someone gets hit full in the face with a hard, packed one, then somebody else thinks what the heck, I'm gonna put a rock in this puppy. There is some grain of truth in Michael's statement about on-going discussions, though I personally think it is more about history and personalities then it is about differing viewpoints. Stop by from time to time. It would be interesting to learn what the strategic weaknesses are of my opponents. You know like one from left field to distract them from making a move which would eat my lunch. <ggg> Just kidding, I wouldn't do that to ya. See ya around.

To: doby who wrote (17891)	3/7/1998 6:23:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Hi, Mikey!!! Gee, I was going to respond sooner and formally welcome you to the Feelings thread, but as you so colorfully remarked, there was a lot of piss in the cornflakes over here, condoms flying around instead of phonics books, and all sorts of less than harmonious stuff going on, so I wanted to clean up the place a little first. Anyway, I enjoyed talking to you at 'Tis the Season, and was happy to see that you dropped by. I think that maybe some people assume incorrectly that everyone around here was born with some sort of silver spoon in his mouth--sterling or at least plated--because we are all so erudite now, and such clever investors. But you are the second person I have encountered who has been either homeless or close to it, and I bet there are a lot of others for whom it was so painful an experience that they don't even want to talk about it, less admit it publicly. I would agree with you incidentally, about illiteracy, education and what the child brings with him to the classroom. There are some schools where I live where half of the five-year-olds have witnessed a serious beating or a murder. Many of these disadvantaged children have never lived with both parents, and may never have seen their fathers. Some of their mothers are strung out on crack cocaine, and the children are being reared by aunts and grandmothers. They come to school hungry, and the meals our local school cafeterias serve them are often frozen in the middle, reheated improperly so that the food is spoiled, and held in unsanitary conditions. A child who is damaged, frightened, malnourished and hungry is almost certainly not going to be ready to learn, and the tendency is that he will fall further and further behind over time. The fact that a child comes from a broken home, however, does not mean that we can afford to write him off, or moralize about how it would be a lot better if families were intact. Of course it would! But that does not help these children who already exist, many of whom will end up in our prison system unless the larger social pathologies are addressed. I believe that we should fully fund HeadStart, and start it earlier, and make sure all the children who need it are able to attend. I have not figured out how in a democratic society we would be able to seriously discourage women who are drug addicts or alcoholics from having children, but I think offering extensive, high quality substance abuse treatment on demand would be helpful. And the patchwork programs we have to help children whose homes are so horrible that they need to leave, and the throw-away children whose parents push them out, could certainly be improved so that they have a viable second chance. Not likely in the political climate today!! Penny wise and pound foolish, we are willing to spend big bucks to imprison people later, but not a little bit now to feed and otherwise care for children at risk and try to ensure that they grow up strong instead of suffering. Anyway, Mikey, thanks for stopping by! My soapbox seems to be disintegrating in this heavy rain we are having, and I'd better go before I turn into papier mache or something! Christine