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To: greenspirit who wrote (18386)	3/14/1998 3:15:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael- I swore to myself I wasn't going to get into this discussion because I think it's another one of those issues that people have such strong reactions to, often imperfectly and emotionally rationalized, sometimes learned early as a prejudice or a religious belief, that seldom is much accomplished in a forum such as this beyond the aggravating of feelings or the creating of factions. But I HAD to comment on this: (so much for self-discipline) If we are to allow gay marriages, than it goes to reason, that we must accept marriages between brother and sister and mother and daughter as well. This appears to be a strange leap of logic to me. Incestuous relationships are an entirely different matter. You may feel a repugnance toward both, take a moral stand on both, but that does not make incest comparable to homosexuality by any means. I don't see a rational connection. There are practical, compelling genetic problems which arise from in-breeding, first of all. But also, any relationship between a parent and a child is a power relationship structured differently than the one necessary for healthy sexual and marital interaction. THis is not an illogical prejudice. Your "logical" conclusion seems based on a morality connection, not scientific fact or psychological understanding. the same is true for those who make an automatic assumption that pedophilia and homosexuality go hand in hand or that being gay equates with promiscuous and immoral behavior. These things may occur together, but I don't believe they are causative. The strictures against incest are not there only "because society finds it unacceptable" (implying without cause or basis). If someone feels an aversion to certain behaviors, that's a personal decision and one which I won't argue, but I can't agree with a conclusion that incest and homosexuality somehow present the same societal questions. That leap obfuscates an already extremely confusing and difficult emotional issue.

To: greenspirit who wrote (18386)	3/14/1998 3:43:00 PM
From: Janice Shell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Each is a private moral decision, effecting noone else and taking place in the privacy of their own home. I have heard no argument on this thread convincing me otherwise, except that it is not accepted in our society. A cop-out, Michael. Transmission and exacerbation of hereditary medical disorders and defects is a real problem, and one that would affect not only the children of such unions, but also society as a whole.

To: greenspirit who wrote (18386)	3/16/1998 9:47:00 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael, Sorry it took so long to reply, I didn't log in after my last post to you. "If we are to allow gay marriages, than it goes to reason, that we must accept marriages between brother and sister and mother and daughter as well. Do you believe we should?" I think this was well answered by the other two replies to your post, so won't repeat their answers, which I agree with. "That say's nothing about my religios belief's. Which I have not brought up even once during this conversation. Why do you say that I have??" My apologies--I was undoubtedly conflating your posts with some of the others, which seemed to be making arguments based on a reading of the bible. I have just seen too many people hurt--and hurt badly--by anti-gay stereotyping, especially by people who claim to "love" them in a so-called Christian sense, although those hurts have certainly not come exclusively from that source.