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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Janice Shell who wrote (18402)	3/14/1998 6:07:00 PM
From: jhild	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

It would seem that the Methodists have become an abomination by Biblical standards. Minister Cleared in Lesbian Unity Case 5.50 p.m. ET (2251 GMT) March 14, 1998 CHICAGO - A Methodist pastor in Omaha, Neb., said Saturday that he will return to his ministry after being found innocent of breaking church rules by performing a lesbian unity ceremony. The Rev. Jimmy Creech was the first Methodist minister ever tried for blessing a same-sex union, in a case reflecting the controversy among U.S. Protestant churches over how to consider homosexuality. "The next step is simply to go back to my ministry at First United Methodist Church in Omaha and continue to try to be faithful to it,'' Creech said in an interview with Reuters. Creech, 53, last September performed a union ceremony for two female members of his 1,900-member church. He was accused days later by another clergy member of disobeying a 1996 church rule against "ceremonies that celebrate homosexual union.'' United Methodism is the largest mainstream U.S. Protestant denomination and is struggling with issues related to homosexuality, as are the Episcopal and Presbyterian churches. In November, Creech was suspended with pay from his pastoral duties and threatened with the loss of his position and his ministerial credentials. On Friday, eight of 13 church members on a special panel voted that Creech had broken the rules, but nine votes were needed to convict him under the church's justice system. Some members of the deeply divided congregation later said they could not remain in the church with Creech as pastor. "They're going to decide whether they want to remain a part of the congregation. If they choose to ... I will be their pastor and continue to give them the kind of care and support that I will give everyone,'' Creech said. foxnews.com

To: Janice Shell who wrote (18402)	3/14/1998 6:18:00 PM
From: Bill Ulrich	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Simple. It is the pause that refreshes. &#147Why do some people consider the sexual activites/proclivities of others to be so very important?&#148 Because sex is such a &#133err, touchy subject, it is not uncommon for one to inwardly verify their proclivities with others to make sure one is on the acceptable side of the fence. Or, in a word, insecurity. That is&#151for those who fear being seen on the other side of the fence, it is must be affirmed that one is normal. Self-affirmation. Your second question. Sex, itself, a common and most basic, ordinary act&#151like eating. But it is not quite like eating; even more important. Whilst eating does arouse some passions, they are not as powerful. One can eat alone. When one eats alone, one does not often fantasize that the act is currently taking place with another. Sex brings up much more powerful emotions. Attachments with other people are a driving force. Even when one has sex with &#133err themselves, they are not really alone. Mentally. When you (the collective 'you') masturbates, do you envision actually having sex with yourself? Or with another? Nope&#151not even the most narcissistic people envision "diving into" themselves. But you can eat alone. Funny, then, that one can live to die at a 'normal' age without sex, yet not without food. So is food more important than sex? No, otherwise we would be chastising each other over rutabagas and liver recipes rather than sex. Look bitch, I'm reporting you because a person who enjoys cabbage as you do, shouldn't be leading my kid's scout troop. Sex worries many, turnips worry few. Deeper inward&#151beyond the instinct to eat&#151beyond the instinct for our own body to survive&#151is the innate drive that our larger species survive. It is buried far; hard to see and harder to comprehend, but it is there. And so sex is engaged in, in the same ways for millenia. Name the most basic emotion of sex: "Acceptance" (or "Approval"). Whether we have a short 20-minute carnal lust-fest, or the most passionate play of true love, either of those is based on you accepting (or approving of) me. Who amongst us here doesn't feel the need for acceptance or approval&#151ever? Even the most self-assured and secure need it&#151whether it be in our professions, our social lives, sex lives, or educational endeavours, somewhere along the way, we need the some approval. In short, sex is needed for the species, approval is needed for sex (rape is violence, not sex). Some get their approval ration filled by making sure their proclivities conform to the larger group. These are the same people who worry about your proclivities along with everybody else's. You may be comfortable with your proclivities. Instead, intellect is more important to you (which is your own "approval button" waiting to be pushed). So you question the intellect of others&#151and rightly so. Others who worry about intellect approve of you, you get the cheese (the sex). For those worrying about proclivities&#151by attacking yours, they get their own approval and cheese from their group. Everybody wins. Too far-fetched? I'm just guessing, really. Afterall, I'm just a web geek&#151what do I know. But if it's true, let's keep slinging hatchets about this, getting that approval stuff from our respective ideological camps, and the Final Cheese. It's incredibly productive (and ultimately reproductive) for Saturday. -MrB We're all mice just stumbling around in the Maze, looking for cheese&#151really! <SQUEEK>