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To: gregor who wrote (730)	3/19/1998 9:27:00 AM
From: parcival	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 1283

Hello all, New to thread. Do you agree that all notions of God are historically conditioned images for qualities that are to be recognized as actually being in man? So, if you want to see God in the world, recognize it in mankind? I have to believe this is the way, but it sure does trip me up. Thoughts.....parcival

To: gregor who wrote (730)	3/19/1998 10:05:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

Well, this is too true. My experience was I was close to finding Jesus, and three years later was lost in semi-occult mire, barely accepting Him, and trying to move quickly on to things which I knew weren't there, but kept looking anyway. Actually, the ISlamics DESPISE Jesus, and kill anyone for not denying He is real and not something we made up in our minds. Actually, I was drifting farther and farther away from Jesus, yet I was getting strange messages which I believe the Angels were arranging. Right before my salvation I would sweep out from under a bed, and little book on Jesus would fly out in front of the broom, like face up. I got a lot of that all of a sudden and once asked "God", are you trying to point me to Jesus? I knew it was going on, but even when I came in contact with the true Christians, all they did was blow my mind and I still didn't get it until they almost tricked me into praying with them. To tell you the truth, the reality that Jesus was the Way the Truth and the Life absolutely was a total spiritual shock to me. I was as amazed as elated. It was quite an event, actually. Especially since I"d been in church on and off my whole life. So, that's pretty scarey when you think about it.

To: gregor who wrote (730)	3/21/1998 1:39:00 AM
From: Kenneth Kirk	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1283

Wow Gregor...I'm offline for a few days and this thread goes into fascinating tangents. It's hard to keep up sometimes. My point, way back several days ago, was actually fairly simple. First, God is the point. Jesus always pointed toward God. Jesus is the way, but God is the destination. Because God is so much greater than we are, we need a bridge to keep in contact with Him. Jesus is the bridge. With God but not Jesus, we're sorta there, but it's not a very fulfilling relationship because God is so distant to us, so far beyond our reach. Second, if someone is already experiencing God, they're already looking in the right direction. They still need Jesus to make it fulfilling. But they're not far away. Unfortunately, some religions actually get in the way of getting to that point of fulfillment through Jesus. I suspect that's what happens in Islamic cultures; the pressure keeps people from getting the whole thing. In western cultures, however, it shouldn't take too much to move from belief in a loving, living God, to Christianity. In Christ, and in the Lord, Ken.