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To: Grantcw who wrote (777)	3/27/1998 11:06:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

Hi Grant, You are right that outside of Jesus any sin no matter how trivial will damn the person who committed it. Outside of Jesus the law of sin and death judges all people. The sin of homosexuality is one of the worst in the Old Testament law calling for the offender to be stoned to death, but so also were the adulterers and children who were disobedient to their parents. Imagine that one, I doubt too many parents would do that to their unruly child. But the sin of homosexuality is different as Paul explains in Romans, the person who practices that sin is reprobate. Paul does not say that about any other sin. It is a sin set apart in the New Testament. It is also a sin that is so consuming few are able to escape it. These are the sickest of people and pray on the defenseless as well as each other. The current homosexual movement called "mambla" is demanding that sex with minors be legal! They are also petitioning the UN for that right world wide! This is an assault by depravity in it's rawest form on decent moral society. That the very society that are it's victims applaud the homosexuals shows the level of blindness there is to what is going on. The devil himself is behind this as he tries to destroy as much as he can before his time is up. If you are a christian don't be used by the devil to advocate homosexual rights because you would be advocating what God has condemned. Bob

To: Grantcw who wrote (777)	3/27/1998 11:28:00 AM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

><>...Welcome Grant...><> It is good to have you aboard and allow me to say right up front that gregor, the initiator of this thread is a fine man and you will sincerely enjoy his posts. Now that I got through the formalities, I want to say that I enjoyed your post....and would like to say that in General it was a post filled with common sense....and common sense is needed in this sometimes unbalanced world. You also said; "IMO, this is one of the reasons many people turn away from Christianity as they think it is a bunch of rules and that we are trying to change everyone's lifestyle. IMO I don't believe that most people turn away from Christianity because of any rules of the church or man that they may perceive as constraining....I believe from what I have seen and heard that most people turn away from Christianity solely because their way of living does not measure up to what God would expect of them, and are totally unwilling to be obedient to God! and of course there are 100's of other reasons too...but all are just excuses. and consider this; John 6:44-45 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Here is my perspective on the issue. Message 3731238 The problem with many people, many christians included Grant, is that they do not see homosexuality as being even immoral. In any case Grant it is a pleasure to have you here. have a blessed day Shalom...><>

To: Grantcw who wrote (777)	3/28/1998 9:06:00 PM
From: Kenneth Kirk	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

Grant, I honestly can't disagree with a thing you said. I was into the same sin as you were before my marriage. I don't count myself above homosexuals. I've commited equally grievous sins. I think it is difficult to separate sin and sinner, especially when the sinner is upfront and unrepentant about the sin, to the point of even identifying himself with it ("I am a homosexual" as opposed to "I participate in homosexual activities"). And that may be part of the problem; out-of-the-closet gays identify themselves as homosexual, as if it were a core part of their being. I never went to my mother and said "Mom, I'm a fornicator". I might have been living with a girl and have told people that, but I didn't act as if it were an essential part of me. I think it's difficult for Christians to deal with someone who identifies so strongly with their sin. It makes them as uncomfortable as dealing with a satanist. In Christ, Ken.