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To: Alomex who wrote (10398)	3/29/1998 5:10:00 PM
From: Kurt Starnes	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 213177

"If I was to start a twelve-step Mac-fanatic recovery group I would start by having fanatics admit that Win95, after years of copying MacOS, has finally (roughly) equalled it." It is a mostly subjective argument Alomex. I'm more interested in everyone's angle on the stock! The one that is leading techs for the year? Outperforming DELL, MSFT, YHOO and CPQ? Remember that AAPL? Go AAPL! Kurt aapltalk.com real time aapltalk

To: Alomex who wrote (10398)	3/29/1998 5:26:00 PM
From: rhet0ric	Respond to of 213177

Re: Mac versus Wintel discussions I guess I agree with all of you. Alomex is right in saying that discussions of platforms and their relative strengths is relevant to the thread, and that some Mac users are in denial about what has been happening to Windows in the last few years. And VicAapl (sp?) is right in saying that the discussion has become tiresome. One of the reasons I read the SI Apple thread and not the Yahoo one, or usenet, is because there's much less Mac vs Wintel stuff here. I find two problems with the Mac versus Wintel arguments. The first is that the same issues get argued over and over (for example, the whole Xerox PARC-->Apple-->Microsoft who-copied-who argument). The second is that apples are rarely compared with oranges, so to speak (for example, Mac advocates touting ease-of-use and PC advocates responding by saying Windows has more apps). Maybe there's a compromise somewhere. What if, whenever we post something that relates to Mac versus Wintel, we ask ourselves a couple of questions first: 1) are we discussing something new about one or other platform? and 2) does the post compare the new thing on the one platform with the equivalent thing on the other platform? If the answer is "no" to either question, we should rethink posting it. rhet0ric

To: Alomex who wrote (10398)	3/29/1998 5:46:00 PM
From: VicAppl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 213177

You're trying to do it again...and I'm afraid I have no intention of taking the bait. I honestly don't give a hoot about what "Mac fanatics" used to say, or say now, for that matter. I have always used Macs and probably always will. But if you are happy with Wintel, that's fine by me. I have no axe to grind. Knock yourself out. But I'd be grateful if you didn't ask me to defend posts or comments by others. I consider them as silly as yourself for going on and on about this nonsense. You are obviously an intelligent man, but you seem to have several real blind spots. You refuse to let go of the past. The more you are rebuffed, the more likely you are to dig in your heels, even in the face of sound logic. You tend to selectively quote when responding, and often use the polititians trick of responding to the question you would like to answer, as opposed to the one that was asked. You make blanket statements which often fail to hold up under scrutiny or research. You can be incredibly obtuse about anything relating to Apple. And you are repetitive to the point of absurdity. My memory is not selective at all. Your rants about this company and its products are all I've heard since I've read this board. If, as you say, you have actually been arguing about Apple for "many years," then you are either the most persistantly masochistic person I have ever read, or the most humane (by making it your lifelong mission to talk some sense into the "Mac fanatics"). I rarely think of Ghandi, that I don't also think of you. And while you may or may not have been right about your predictions of the last three years, I'm afraid they have no relevance for me. The fact of the matter, is that your comment of a "flash in the pan run-up of the last three months," indicates to me that you are stuck in the past, prisoner of your own predictions, and are unable to sense a change in the wind, even when spitting into it. Nearly every argument you made in your post to me was phrased in the past tense. And to my mind, that is significant. You are out of step and out of touch with what is going on with this company and this stock. As to the significance of the OS to the stock, well, honestly, hasn't that been done to death? Don't you think you're being the least bit disingenuous by saying that? I do. And just for the record, I don't believe the Mac OS is perfect. I don't even believe in the concept of perfection outside of nature. As someone mentioned, I get only three posts a day, so if I fail to answer your inevitable response to this, please don't take it as either agreement or capitulation...take it rather, as a sign of my cheapness. Vic

To: Alomex who wrote (10398)	3/29/1998 6:49:00 PM
From: Hugues	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 213177

The superiority of the MacOs vs Windows OS is clearly not relevant to the AAPL stock price in the short term. It isn't either in the long term, because Apple OS will be Rhapsody. In the middle, it is partly relevant, but so weakly that you should not bother about it. Just remember that the inferiority of Windows 3.1 was not relevant to explain its big market share.

To: Alomex who wrote (10398)	3/29/1998 8:33:00 PM
From: Phillip C. Lee	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 213177

Alomex, Please don't repeat the same stuff again and again. It is tedious to hear and waste all the bandwidth here. We have argued the same thing before and you suggested to short the stock since it was aound $18. If somebody listened to your advices, they would lose a lot and probably will never recover back. I bet when the stock reaches $35, you are still here to repeat the same stuff. It seems you live in the past. As I advise Bill, if he wants to talk about Mac vs. Wintel, go to somewhere else since we already know his words. There is nothing new to say on such topic. I could take your challenge regarding technology of OS or compilers elsewhere if you are knowledgeable enough in this area. If you prefer shorts on Apple, nobody would stop you doing so and possibly you will win if your are so lucky. We never go to Dell, Compaq, or Microsoft board to say they suck because we try to keep their dignity. Phil