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To: Paul Engel who wrote (51994)	4/3/1998 2:27:00 PM
From: Paul Roder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

I seems to me that just from a marketing perspective, this Celeron chip is a real bad idea for Intel. They have spent alot of time and money developing a reputation for providing the fastest, high quality chips, and to suddenly attempt to hoodwink the public with this piece of garbage makes no sense. All I know is that if I went into a store and they tried to sell me one of these systems, that store would never get my business again. How can this chip be the price/performance leader when it is clearly outperformed by Pentium MMX, as well as Cyrix and AMD offerings already filling these sub-$1000 PC's. Exactly how much cheaper will it be? A few bucks? I have some faith, though, that the modern computer buying public is too smart to en-mass buy into the Celeron. As long as shady sellers don't intentionally hide the information about this chip, the public will not fall for this charade. I sure hope Intel quickly releases a new version with sufficient cache, since I think this whole affair sets a very poor example for the X86 computer industry. It reminds me of the early days of the 386, where some of the chips could not reliably run 32 bit instructions, but were sold anyway. Unscrupulous clone vendors sold these as fully functional 386's, and most users did not find out until they actually used 32 bit software. A place right by me in San Diego (at the time) did this, and eventually went under, but they made alot of money for a while.

To: Paul Engel who wrote (51994)	4/3/1998 2:37:00 PM
From: FJB	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

RE: Celeron and It will be the Price/Performance Leader - read that again - Price/Performance Leader! But it's more expensive than a 233MHz K6 or P55C and it offers LESS performance in a system of equal price!!! That's NOT a leadership position. PC World obtained a preproduction PC built around a 266-MHz Celeron with 64MB of system memory and an 8MB video card; it's expected to sell for under $1000. We measured it against a range of systems--some with less main memory--and found that the Celeron's performance on business applications didn't match the promise of its high clock speed. (The system's manufacturer asked to remain anonymous.) Celeron Tanks in Testing The Celeron system earned a PC WorldBench 98 score of only 106, compared to the 126 posted by a similarly configured PC using a 233-MHz K6 chip from AMD, which is widely available in $999 systems. The Celeron system's performance on business applications was worse than that of low-price Cyrix-based systems and systems running on the chip the Celeron is meant to supplant--Intel's Pentium MMX-233, which can be found in PCs costing about $1100. In fact, the Celeron could barely keep pace with PCs running on Intel's PMMX-200, which is used in systems that cost as little as $799. pcworld.com