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To: XiaoYao who wrote (8800)	4/3/1998 9:48:00 PM
From: Keith Rowland	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

I guess Microsoft conspired to put all those design flaws and bugs in the JDK too: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To aid any developers wondering what's going on with the JDK and JFC/Swing I would just like to point to JavaSoft's BugParade search engine. Searching on April 3rd with this criteria: +1.1.6 - 705 bugids +1.1.6 +"In progress" - 199 bugids +1.1.7 - 64 bugids +1.2beta4 - 281 bugids +swing1.0fcs - 495 bugids +swing1.0fcs +"In progress" - 135 bugids +swing1.1 - 55 bugids +1.1 +"In progress" - 1424 bugids I found annoying things in there, like fixes to JDK1.1 which only will be atttributed to JDK1.2 ie. never fixed in JDK1.1 (bug ex: 4082050), new bugs that break previous bugfixes, API changes (bug ex: 4108756), workaround suggestions that are unstable, and priority given to simple stuff and licensees rather than the ones a lot of people really want according to the Top 25 bugs (e.g: 4065018, 4085578, 4079333). I have faith in the team, but I doubt that we'll see a truely stable JDK untill late this year, and developers should be aware of any showstoppers. I sometimes question their priorities when I hear about the new APIs and products, but then again, I didn't pay anything for this software. It would be taking a cheap shot to compare the JDK situation with other products and companies, however we are at the mercy of JavaSoft to fix their ("our") bugs. It's easy to say "we told you so", but people have become so used to using incomplete software these days (like certain operating systems) that JavaSoft should take even more responsibility for their success. Attention spans are decreasing by every new press release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

To: XiaoYao who wrote (8800)	4/4/1998 10:07:00 AM
From: micromike	Respond to of 64865

Oh good a MS employee. When do you guys expect to release Zero adm Win. This is the only way that you will be able to stop the NC. Number one reason why MS windows and for that matter any other OS is the worst home consumer product of this century -- IT'S TOO COMPLICATED for the average consumer. Along comes Java and the NC and guess what it's very simple to use. How come they don't carry any NC's at a home consumer store? Could it be that the technology isn't up to speed. The only thing close to a NC that I have seen is WebTV. How come MS owns Webtv? Could it be down the road this product will turn into a NC. So as far as I'm concerned when the technology gets up to speed we will see if the NC survives or not. Unless you believe that technology does not change it stays the same like Windows has for the past 10 years then the NC will die. I do believe technology does change so till then the jury is still out. JMHO Mike