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To: Grainne who wrote (13450)	4/6/1998 9:10:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

><>..There you go again Christine, talking about something..><> you know nothing about. Isn't it Jesus who said we should not judge others? But again you do it only to use Him, my Lord, to further your agenda! Do you realize that you used the word we.....Are we getting someplace Christine? My Lord Jesus also said: Mark 12:30 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Do you take this statement of My Lord Jesus to heart also? Do you understand it? Do you believe Jesus said it? Do you believe Jesus meant it? Do you believe He was talikig to us or just someonw else? Do you even care Christine? My Lord Jesus also said: John 15:1-15 1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. How about it Christine do you also take this saying of Jesus my Lord to heart? Do you understand it? Do you believe He said it? Do you care? The above just touches the surface as to what Jesus my lord has said. Do you understand any of it? Do you believe any of it? Does your heart feel any of it? Do you really even care what my Lord Jesus has said or is it just that you like to use only what might suit you and your agenda.? One more thing my Lord Jesus said; John 3:3-15 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Christine do you believe that my Lord Jesus also said this? Do you take it to heart? Do you understand it? Do you believe He meant it? Have you sincerely ever considered it?...Do you really care what my Lord Jesus said? ____________ ____________ So I would have to conclude that homosexual sympathizers are the most Christian of all, right? Not if they have a hidden agenda! Shalom...><>

To: Grainne who wrote (13450)	4/6/1998 10:19:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Christine, do you really want to know how Jesus would have treated a homosexual? I can point to you scripture which has a detailed description of how Jesus treated a woman who, it looks like was probably a prostitute. Read Luke chapter 7, verses 36 through 50. Jesus was having dinner at the house of a Pharisee, at the Pharisee's request. Pharisees were very religious people. The woman entered the house, seeking Jesus: 007:036 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat. 007:037 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, 007:038 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. 007:039 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. 007:040 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 007:041 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 007:042 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 007:043 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. 007:044 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. 007:045 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. 007:046 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. 007:047 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. 007:048 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. 007:049 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 007:050 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. Now Christine, don't begin to think that Christ saw only women like this one who came to him as sinners. It's not practical to go through the whole bible right here and now, but this above is how Christ treated all sinners, which in religious jargon simply means people who fall short of the glory of God. So I do believe that Christ would have treated a homosexual in the same way. And as Christ said many times, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Some people back then didn't think so, even as today many feel that they are good enough with their works to be presentable and acceptable to God, without need of any other "saviour" to be presented to God in their behalf.