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To: seth thomas who wrote (10191)	4/7/1998 11:46:00 AM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14631

most of our developers made over $80K - some were over $100K - plus options. Relatively speaking, $80K-$100K is not much in the valley. Sales, mktg, mid-mgmt, everybody makes this. $80K is really low, in fact (for ERP, that is). And the difference with the technical people is, there are tremendous consulting opportunities where the pay is 3x what you can get from any company as a salary. Other jobs (mid-mgmt) do not have the lucrative consulting mkt - well they can consult, but its more difficult to find work, etc. Meanwhile all the companies are crying about not being able to find skilled workers, and they have to result to hiring consultants for $130/hr or so. Now, if those same companies raised the pay for the job in question from $100K to $150K, then the consultants would probably at least be interested in full time work. Of course this would be a problem for personnel, since $150K is a higher salary level than most mgmt gets. But thats the free mkt, isnt it? Instead we do the stupid thing of importing cheap labor, in effect keeping salaries down. Michelle

To: seth thomas who wrote (10191)	4/7/1998 9:18:00 PM
From: Untouchable	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14631

Steven you pushed by buttons when you said "you sound like a union guy making American cars whining about the Japanese in 1970". Are you sure you aren't part of the management of the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad? You see that is the company I work for running trains when not working in grade crossing safety. Yes I am a UNION man and have been ever since being employed in 1969. I am also a Local Chairman for the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and General Secretary Treasurer for that same union. I am proud to be a part of the BLE because if I wasn't and there wasn't a union representing me on the BN SF management would have me working in locomotive cabs with no heaters, no bathrooms, unsafe locomotives, etc. etc. etc. When I started in 1969 a long train was 70-80 cars which length wise was about 4,000 feet. Now we have trains of 125-150 cars and lengths of 12,000-14,000 feet. Does this impact my job as a locomotive engineer? You betcha. More productivity is the name of the game now days and yes I have learned to adapt to the present situation. Don't get me wrong Stevie I enjoy my job and the pay is good. The railroad has been good to me, but I have given 100% and now am giving 150%. Your statement about the American worker and union people are false. The American worker has adapted or tried to because if we don't the major corporations will take the factory, plant, or whatever to Mexico, Japan, or anywhere else they can get it done cheaper. I also have Compaq stock. I just read that their CEO made 70 million dollars last year is that fair? Well I don't know but I will guarantee you one thing if the employees of Compaq tried to unionize that corporation that CEO would not be very happy. The bottom line is the American worker has carried on their back the major corporations so they can make bigger and better profits with increased productivity and many other concessions to keep their jobs. Get in the real world Stevie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!