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To: Grainne who wrote (13960)	4/12/1998 3:25:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Christine, I DID NOT say what you say here you have stated that because you work in your home, you would not hire a homosexual to work for you. Bring up the post, Christine. I didn't say that. I said that, as a home office self-employed person, by law I MAY NOT if I don't want to, hire a homosexual. This was in response to a post by Greystone, who thought he would try a little indocrination-type chanting on me, imploring me to "repeat after me": blah blah blah. Fact: I'm not a lawyer and neither are you, but I do believe that I read recently in the Investors Business Daily that the anti-discrimination laws for hiring in California DO NOT Apply to employers with less than 5 employees. And obviously Christine, if I was to hire ONE PERSON, and I interviewed the following: a Black man, an Asian woman, a Caucasian male, a Mexican woman, a Gay male, and a handicapped woman who was a Vietnam-era veteran, I still only have one position, and can't hire all of them. If I hire the Black man, do I automatically get hit with a discrimination lawsuit from all the others besides the white guy? Use yer head for something besides a hat-rack, Christine. These attitudes of yours would seem to be generally discriminatory towards homosexuals, No, it's just that I know my legal rights, and I don't like politically correct people trying to tell me what the law is, when I darn well know that in my own home, I can rent to or hire anyone I darn well please, and don't need some politically correct puppet telling me to "repeat after me". Gimme a break, I'm not as think as you dumb I am. You also stated that you would not support legislation guaranteeing homosexuals equal employment rights. I stated that I believe that we shouldn't make laws that aren't necessary, if they aren't necessary, simply to make a politically correct "statement". Why is it that Gays get so much fawning attention by everyone? You know full well Christine (or do you?), that gays are in demand in the corporate work-place, because corporations are so EAGER to appease, and so FRIGHTENED of being accused of discrminatory behavior, if they happen to not have the correct % of such and such type of people. Sometimes people are discriminated against, just as Blacks and other minorities have been discriminated against in the past, for instance in the housing and bank loans markets. That's not right, and laws have been enacted to correct the wrongs and make sure that the classes of people who it's proven have been discriminated against have laws protecting them. But frankly, Christine, if any employee of mine (if I had any employees) started telling me about their sex life, I would wonder what that had to do with the job they were supposed to doing.

To: Grainne who wrote (13960)	4/12/1998 4:34:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Respond to of 39621

I find it ironic that you would think I assume I am better than you are, or holier, or more righteous either Really? To what would you attribute the fact that I have been most righteously pounced on and near torn to shreds by a bunch of people who in fact did assume that they held the higher moral ground, and were MOST EAGER to show how righteous their positions were. The employment thing in fact only came up NOT because I first said anything about it, but because I was interrogated very closely by people. I knew my legal rights, and so I chose to assert them, by stating some things which did not follow the ideology of the the politically correct. I stated, as a self-employed individual who has a home office and zero employees (as best I can remember): I MAY NOT discrminate against Blacks I MAY NOT discriminate against Jews I MAY discriminate against homosexuals I'm not 100% sure, but I would think that, BY LAW, I can hire WHOEVER I feel like it to work in my own home office, and in fact, I believe I could have stated that I MAY discriminate against ANYONE when hiring someone to work in my own home. I do know that if I was to sub-let out a spare bedroom, I could indeed by law discriminate against whoever I felt like it. I learned that somewhere, perhaps in real-estate class. Christine, I probably wouldn't have been so defiant if so many people had not jumped my case so vehemently, simply because I admitted that I believe that some specific named sexual acts are immoral. You are the one who invited the comments on the Biblical references to homosexuality, remember that. Also keep in mind that I'm a rebel of sorts, and I enjoy being an individual, rather than just one of the herd. And no, I'm NOT interested in going to the internet for information on modifying my religious beliefs, PARTICULARLY sites given to me by an self-avowed agnostic. There are some things which just don't make sense to do.

To: Grainne who wrote (13960)	4/12/1998 10:01:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Christine, You said: <<I think this is unfortunate, especially since the very concept of homosexuality comes from the nineteenth century, not Biblical times. There is really no mention of homosexuality at all in the Bible--passages have been translated incorrectly, and interpreted wrongly.) That is not true. The bible does condemn the act of homosexuality in the Levitical laws. It is described as a "man laying with another man as a man lays with a woman" instead of using the word homosexuality which I think is of Greek origin and came into use later. I am relying on my memory for that but can look it up. <<since the very concept of homosexuality comes from the nineteenth century, not Biblical times.>> This really is a whopper on your part. Are you suggesting that homosexuality just started recently? That it has never happened before? Have you read about Sodom? where the act of homosexuality got it's original name of "sodomy" which is still used today as the legal term for the act. "The very concept"? Come on. The bible lays out the destruction of Sodom and Gemorah and why, doesn't that qualify as a concept of homosexuality 4-5 thousand years ago? Bob