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To: Krowbar who wrote (20501)	4/16/1998 2:28:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<I am curious why Atheists are asked to explain and defend their position. I have never seen anyone ask the Pope or Billy Graham to keep an open mind about the possibility that god may not exist.> This is a really excellent statement, Del. Thanks for saying it!!

To: Krowbar who wrote (20501)	4/16/1998 9:22:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

No, what you said was that it was more scientific, and I don't think that is true. But it is a small point. And everyone should have to defend their positions- if only to themselves. I really do think the unexamined life is not worth living. But I don't have a lot of company in that belief.

To: Krowbar who wrote (20501)	4/17/1998 2:57:00 AM
From: Charliss	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<In the final analysis all beliefs are, strictly speaking, untenable, therefore I choose those that are most probable, based on the evidence, not emotion or indoctrination.> Hi Delbert, How about this: The purest level of consciousness, that is, the level most capable of "knowing" is the one free of beliefs...After all, what is our ego except a collection of beliefs which we consider to be our identity? And, if we consider ourselves to be what we believe, then would it not follow that any threat to our beliefs would, at some level, be seen as a death threat? If so, then defending our beliefs would be a matter of life and death... I think of it as similar to when one identifies with ones money or material possessions- often, when these things are lost, one considers suicide. Where I live, a teenager recently killed himself after he lost his driver's license. I think he identified with his car. This also happens with unrequited love(sometimes even with a bad hair day) I seriously doubt that we experience who we are at our core through what we believe(we are)... cd