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To: Grainne who wrote (14142)	4/18/1998 5:22:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Here is where I stated my beliefs: Message 4024803 Here is where you responded to that post, and said that I am "somehow twisting everything to allow discrimination against homosexuals". techstocks.com . -- a quite ridiculous conclusion, I might add. With that logic, as I pointed out to you, I would then be "allowing discrimination" against anyone who does anything which I believe is "sin". The problem with your logic, Christine, is on the one hand you say I have a right to my religious beliefs, but at the same time you have said that certain of those beliefs alone are "discriminating" against individuals. I have maintained all along that I can believe that an activity that someone else or myself is engaging in is "sin", and at the same time I can of course and indeed must treat them civily, politely, and respectfully. And nobody here has ever said they wish homosexuals or any other person to be denied the right to work or live life in freedom, except where they must serve time in prison for offenses against society.

To: Grainne who wrote (14142)	4/18/1998 5:45:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I have said time and time again that I don't really care what belief systems people have, but that I think they somehow need to be separated from discrimination against people who are homosexual, or Jewish, or black, or any other group whose civil or legal rights are diminished simply because of who they are. Christine, homosexuals are not a race of people, as are Jews and Blacks. It may be that homosexuals are "born that way", I don't know, and neither has science proved that. You believe that homosexuals come by their state by genetics, but that has not been proved, but it may be so. In any case, it doesn't matter. Some say Alcoholism is a disease that is genetically inherited, like heart disease. Nevertheless, I believe that alcoholism is wrong, and to be treated and recovered from as much as can be possible. We do know that Mothers who are cocaine addicts give birth to babies who are cocaine addicts. I am NOT saying that homosexuals are the same as cocaine addicts. What I AM saying is that, like the prostitute, the alcoholic, or the homosexual, I would be reluctant to hire someone for work in my home from one of those groups, as my home is a very personal place to be. Nevertheless, I would expect that some business outside of my home would indeed yes, give the prostitute, the alcoholic, the homosexual, a place to work and contribute to society. Does the law forbid a corporation from denying employment to an alcoholic, if such alcoholism does not affect their job performance, and can be proved that it has not? Can such an alcoholic sue for wrongful termination, if fired because they admitted they were an alcoholic? I don't know, but I would not hire an alcoholic to work in my home.

To: Grainne who wrote (14142)	4/18/1998 8:24:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

By the way Christine, in re my comments about alcoholics, and what I said that I wouldn't hire an alcoholic to work in my home: You might be interested to know that my closest life-long friend has struggled with the demons of alcohol abuse, and has many times told me that he feels he is an alcoholic. I have compassion for him and his struggles, and offer listening and talking-type support for him, but in no way have I ever suggested that to make him feel better, I would no longer view alcohol excess as "sin". And yes, his spiritual life has suffered, and he knows that, and he knows that alcohol abuse is wrong and against the teaching of the Bible. Sometimes it seems he has beaten the demon, and other times he falls back into it. At present I think he has been "clean" for many months. I have always welcomed him into my home as a guest, but if I happened to hire him to work as an employee in my home, I would become quite concerned if he began again abusing alcohol. Eventually (hypothetically, since I've never actually hired anyone to work in my home) I might very well fire him if a resurgent alcohol problem began to be offensive to me. DK