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To: Jim McCormack who wrote (21752)	4/21/1998 11:49:00 PM
From: Scott C. Lemon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Hello Jim, > HP Integrates LDAP from Netscape - Snubs NDS Gosh ... I almost thought that you had decided to actually quote the announcement. I was glad to see that the bulk of your post was simply some misguided perception and understanding of directories! ;-) > NDS takes a hit as HP gos for the "Open Standards" based LDAP from > Netscape....Novell will use a gateway to integrate Netscape LDAP > and Active Directory. I'm sorry, but I must have missed the factual documentation that states what you are referring to. Can you please provide a reference to the information that you are quoting? Obviously even you know the difference between a directory and an access protocol ... right? So even you fully understand that LDAP is not a directory ... it is simply the standards definition for how to access a directory over TCP/IP protocols ... oh yes ... and LDAP is something that Novell fully supports as an access protocol. Oh yes, could you also please explain the differences between NDS and the proprietary, non-replicated, non-partitioned database that Netscape is using ... ;-) > NDS is a "Tactical" advantage that is fading.... The Strategic > solution remains LDAP...Novell will not own the directory for > Internet and Intranet applications. NDS is proprietary. HP > customers will not be deploying NDS. ;-) Interesting statements ... again, as you know, LDAP is an access protocol (wow ... it's even in the name ... Light-weight Directory Access Protocol) ... maybe you could explain to us all what non-proprietary object store Netscape (and HP) will be using? You know that LDAP defines no database ... so from your statement I'm guessing that you are privy to some knowledge that Netscape is about to announce a standard database as the foundation for their product (or better ... some object database) that scales, replicates, and provides partitioning? If not, I guess they must have a proprietary store ... biz.yahoo.com What I really like about this story is that HP, the big Microsoft partner, sure didn't seem to announce support for Active Directory! Gosh, guess it must not live up to HP standards ... ;-) > Cheers > > Jim P.S. What's up? Too much good news lately? ;-) Scott C. Lemon

To: Jim McCormack who wrote (21752)	4/22/1998 12:14:00 AM
From: ToySoldier	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Jim Jim Jim, You must get a few facts straight. First of all LDAP and NDS are like comparing oranges and apples. LDAP is simply a protocol - pure and simple! It cannot be compared to NDS which is directory service with data stores etc. Let me say it one more time. LDAP IS NOT A DS, ITS A PROTOCOL! In fact, NOVL developers are hoping that MSFt will - for once in its life - implement the open standard LDAP as the interface to MSFT's own proprietary Active Directory. But since we all know MSFT doesn't like playing nicely with others, NOCL will likely have to develop some unique gateway specifically for Active Directory (if and when it ever shows up). NDS will fully integrate LDAP v3 and is also participating in the development of LDAP v3. So, HPs decision is not some big threat that you are bringing up. If I didn't know better I would get the impression that you are turning into a FUDing MSFT Lemming. Stop it! Your better then that.

To: Jim McCormack who wrote (21752)	4/22/1998 8:38:00 PM
From: Peter Connolly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42771

Hi Jim I can't see how you come to your conclusion of HP snubbing NDS in favour of LDAP - they're totally different types of technologies. That's like saying 'HP snub DNS, promote TCP/IP' (huh?) Makes no sense to anyone who knows anything about how these things work. NDS is so feature rich that it can have multiple 'personalities' grafted onto it. Look at the RADIUS modules that expand NDS to support secure dial-in sessions, the LDAP module that allows NDS to translate to LDAP attributes and in the future - who knows? Whatever MSFT do regarding directory services, NDS has been there first, and Novell know how to make their directory look like whatever customers want. (Take NetWare 5, where DNS and DHCP are incorporated into the directory - major boon for anyone who's ever had to assign an IP address to anything). HP's decision is for one aspect of a technology, one that Novell supports TODAY! Show me anyone else's support of LDAP as complete as Novell's, including Netscape's, and I'll point out a half-assed directory service/access protocol - just doesn't fly TODAY, because they haven't been through the pain barrier. I'd be willing to hazard a guess that a lot of those HP customers will have an NDS directory running in the background, with LDAP being used to access it. It's about the only Directory Service that works properly today... Yours respectfully, with a large amount of experience in this area.. Peter