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To: Chris land who wrote (14525)	4/23/1998 12:36:00 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Chris, I could be mistaken, but I think Donald was simply saying that Paul was a Jew who believed in the Messiah, Jesus. Would that not be correct? Hence Messianic Jew. There were Jews who rejected the Messiah, so in the context of what we have been talking about it seems to fit. Not that the word itself is there but one can not deny that Paul was a Jew and that Paul was converted to Christianity by our Lord . dcf

To: Chris land who wrote (14525)	4/23/1998 1:41:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 39621

><>...Chris, why do you make a such a big deal of it?...><> Messianic is simply an adjective I am sure you know what an adjective is. You do, don't you? It's origin is Messiah A noun. 5547 Christos (khris-tos'); from 5548; anointed, i.e. the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: KJV-- Christ. When used before the word Jew, it immediately tells something us about that particular Jewish person. It is used to distinguish a non believing Jew( one who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah) from a believing Jew. (One who does)! So to answer your question about your not being able to find this word in the NT, try going to your Bible and looking up the word Christ. # 5547 in the Greek. Every time you see the word Christ it describes who Jesus is. ...It is not His Last name! To say Messianic Christian is double talk. Christian already means, by virtue of the word itself, to believe that Christ is the Messiah....Messianic is not needed in describing a Christian.! It would be like saying, "He is a huge big man or she is a small little woman." It makes no sense at all. Or,he is a white Caucasian man, or he is a black Negro man, or she is a yellow Chinese woman. Or even "he is a Jewish Jew. So too it is redundant, and utterly ridiculous to say "he is a Messianic Christian." But to say, "he is a Messianic Jew" tells us something about him. You got it now Chris?...Or are you getting at something else? Have a good day Shalom...><> Ps 122:6-9 6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. 7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. 8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee. 9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.

To: Chris land who wrote (14525)	4/23/1998 2:58:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Chris; Do you think Paul ceased to be Jewish when he was saved? Do you think he stopped celebrating the Passover? Why do you think that G-d chose such a well schooled Pharisee to take his message to the Gentiles? A Messianic Jew is simply a Jew who recognizes his Messiah. I don't find the name Methodist in scripture either. Does this help? It seems obvious to me that G-d had some important points to make about the Meshiach through Jewish traditions, and that is why he chose the Jews in the first place. I don't think one can even fully understand the New Testament without the light of the Old. Again I ask how could you show the need for a blood atonment in the first place using only the New. A Messianic Jew is able to see the prophetic significance of their culture and continue it in order to bring glory to G-d. In Yeshua's name, DLL