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To: greenspirit who wrote (20937)	4/25/1998 7:08:00 PM
From: jhild	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Is that how you are characterizing Newt's action - just asking for a divorce? You think that demonstrates family values going to a hospital and pressuring the signing of divorce papers when you are recovering from surgery. Is that the family values you support? I didn't support the war in Viet Nam. I was at protest rallies. I smelled tear gas and saw people beaten for protesting a war, that has now come to be universally known as a mistake. How many more lives would have been lost if there had been no protest? How many more of my generation would have had to die upholding a failed policy and a corrupt self-serving, self justifying effort to support its continuation? Just because you are in the military doesn't mean that you have a corner on patriotism. Pulling out a bloody flag and saying that those that protested on any soil were twisted, serves no purpose except reopen the wounds of a nation that was deeply divided over an issue with many sides.

To: greenspirit who wrote (20937)	4/25/1998 8:57:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael, after thinking about it at length, I am not sure I understand the difference between protesting in America or elsewhere about American policy, in the sense that one action MIGHT be patriotic, and the other definitely is not. The goal of protesting is to get public attention, to sway opinion, to get media coverage and to effect change as the result. That war was so wrong, and was killing so many people--ours and theirs--so fast, that I think anyone following his or her convictions should not be labelled a traitor simply because they protested on foreign soil. In fact, I think what Jane Fonda did is at least as patriotic as Danny Quayle joining a particular National Guard unit so he could stay in Indiana, and then ACTING like he supported the war. Given the choice, I always think people who are acting out their political beliefs openly, without subterfuge, are operating on a higher moral plane than those who are only acting patriotic. I think it is strange that you would throw Teddy Kennedy into the discussion. I could not find one liberal Democrat who would even attempt to justify his behavior at Chappaquiddick. He lost his marriage, and all his political hopes for the future because of it. But I think he has soldiered on pretty much unnoticed in the Senate, acting like a patriot in every way that he can. Even though you do not agree with his politics, certainly since he is independently wealthy and had all those fatherless children to watch out for in addition to his own, it would have been much simpler and more convenient to take it easy than to continue to fight for his vision of America in the Senate all these years. How would you feel if every time someone disagreed with you, they threw some misdeed by a conservative into the discussion, when it was totally irrelevant to the subject?