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To: Paul Engel who wrote (32368)	5/3/1998 5:57:00 PM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571405

Paul, I'm not sure where you get the idea that the Celeron is cheaper than a K6. It isn't. Especially on a price-performance basis. Maybe that will change with Mendocino. But by any definition, Celeron is a cruel joke on the uninformed and unsuspecting consumer. Kevin

To: Paul Engel who wrote (32368)	5/4/1998 4:02:00 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571405

Paul, <Everything will run on the Celeron - not as fast as a K6-300 but if it is SPEED that is the issue, NOBODY will buy a K6-300! They will buy an Intel Pentium II - 400 Mhz system!> Just one opportunity seems to escape your analysis. If the Celery-Mudochino is so great, and "cheap", and "intel inside", and "actual performance is not an issue", why would average customer buy any of the highly overpriced "true" Pentiums-II-400 ? NOBODY would ever buy a $3000 computer any more, except for a skinny group of "computer enthusiasts" (and a heap of loyal Intel investors :) :). Therefore, the whole bunch of "true" and pricey Pentium-II must be repriced at $150 level to compete with their OWN PRODUCT. How do you think Intel will subsidize all these no-margin sales? With the 5%-thick server market? In this case they would need to price their server Pentiums at 20X the Mudochino price, or about $3000 a piece. Very attractive price point indeed :) <AMD is ... underpriced by Intel's superior cost structure on the low end.> Even stripped down, the caseless and cacheless Celery still counts 90 additional components to solder plus the PCB itself: tomshardware.com Could you enlighten us about how this design, with die size twice as big as for K6, may have "superior cost structure"? <Think, ... -- it may hurt and may hurt your pride, but THINK!> Very good advice. Please practice what you preach.