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To: John May who wrote (4478)5/19/1998 8:33:00 AM
From: Glenn D. Rudolph  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
One need look no further than Amazon's Associates Program - a network to 30,000 sites
that sell books using Amazon as their vendor along with the information they provide or
other products they sell. Yes, that's right, 30,000! Show me a mail-order firm that has
done this. This is innovation so incredible that it would be considered a "Killer
Application."


John,

I posted this priorthis thread but let me reiterate. This is from the Sears history web pages:



Famous in catalog history is the plan Richard Sears used to put his wish
books into the hands of thousands of potential new customers. In 1905 Sears
wrote to the company's best customers in Iowa, asking each to distribute 24
catalogs among friends and neighbors. These customers sent Sears the names
of people who received the catalogs. When these people, in turn, sent in
orders, the original customers received premiums for their work: a stove, a
bicycle or a sewing machine. With success in Iowa, the system was applied in
other states.


At appears that Sears used what Amazon now calls the associate program back in 1905. There were about 46 states at that time I believe. Someone may correct. me. I admit the above statement does not say how peo0ple in Iowa were Sears best customers or in other states. However, take the number and multiply it by 24 and you have a huge "associate program" nation wide. We can conjecture that Amazon is using the Sears technigue from 1905. Not that is innovation. By the way, Sears was turning a huge profit in 1905 not losing money.

Glenn



To: John May who wrote (4478)5/19/1998 8:37:00 AM
From: Candle stick  Respond to of 164684
 
One need look no further than Amazon's Associates Program - a network to 30,000 sites that sell books using Amazon as their vendor along with the information they provide or other products they sell. Yes, that's right, 30,000! Show me a mail-order firm that has done this. This is innovation so incredible that it would be considered a "Killer Application."

Barnes and Noble and Borders group have the exact same program. As a matter of fact, Barnes and Noble is one step ahead....read yesterdays news:

WhoWhere? and barnesandnoble.com Enter Into Strategic E-commerce and Marketing Partnership

MOUNTAIN VIEW, CALIF. (May 18) BUSINESS WIRE -May 18, 1998--

barnesandnoble.com Offers WhoWhere's Angelfire Members Tools for

Selling Books on Their Websites; WhoWhere? to Private Label

Personal Homepage Service for barnesandnoble.com Affiliates

WhoWhere? Inc., a leading provider of free Web-based communication and
collaboration applications, announced today a strategic
electronic-commerce and marketing partnership with Barnes & Noble's
online counterpart barnesandnoble.com, the world's largest online
bookseller.

As a part of the agreement, WhoWhere will offer its Angelfire community
and its other online community partners the opportunity to be part of
the barnesandnoble.com Affiliate Network which enables end users to
include the bookseller's content, search utilities and e-commerce
capabilities into their existing Web pages.

Through the program, Angelfire members can become barnesandnoble.com
Affiliates and build their own online bookstores, recommending specific
books to their online visitors. Affiliates can also let their visitors
browse books by linking to different subject areas on the
barnesandnoble.com site or search for any book in print using the
search engine. Affiliates earn a commission on every book sold to
customers they refer to barnesandnoble.com.

WhoWhere will also create a barnesandnoble.com branded version of
PeopleCity, WhoWhere's free personal home page service. The service, to
be called "BOOKPLACE.COM," will offer a free home page to anyone
interested in creating their own online bookstore through
barnesandnoble.com's Affiliate Network.

"The partnership with WhoWhere brings our Affiliate Network to one of
the largest online communities and the strongest affinity groups on the
Web through WhoWhere's Angelfire and its online community partners,"
said Jeff Killeen COO for barnesandnoble.com. "In addition, people who
don't yet have Web sites will be able to create their own online
bookstore for free with 'BOOKPLACE.COM.'"

"Personal home pages are a great tool for embracing online community
members and enabling them to participate in the growing e-commerce
market," said Dale Fuller president and CEO for WhoWhere. "Members of
special interest online communities, like gURL, will be able to create
Web sites that publish lists of their favorite books, provide a way for
their visitors to purchase those titles and benefit monetarily."

In addition to personal home page offerings, barnesandnoble.com will
offer users of Mail City, WhoWhere's free web-based e-mail service, the
opportunity to subscribe to free custom e-mail newsletters from
barnesandnoble.com. The Special Delivery service will keep Mail City
users informed of new releases, bestsellers, and special promotions on
books on their favorite subjects. Subscribers will be able to link
directly from the newsletter to the barnesandnoble.com Web site to
browse and order the books described. About WhoWhere? Inc.

WhoWhere? Inc., based in Mountain View, is a leading online
communications guide and provider of Web-based applications that enable
people and businesses worldwide to seamlessly find, communicate and
collaborate with each other. The company's online directories include
free access to telephone listings, e-mail addresses, personal home
pages, and business URLs. WhoWhere's suite of network applications
currently includes e-mail, personal home pages and directory services.

Using a private-labeling model, WhoWhere licenses these applications to
major brands, community-based organizations and affinity groups that
want to increase site traffic and brand affinity. WhoWhere currently
provides its free Web-based services to a growing number of targeted,
affinity-based, online communities including iVillage, NetNoir and
LatinoLink. WhoWhere can be reached online at whowhere.com.
About barnesandnoble.com

barnesandnoble.com is a leading retailer of books and the exclusive
bookseller to America Online (AOL)'s 12 million subscribers (keyword:
barnes and noble). barnesandnoble.com also has exclusive partnerships
with more than 7,000 Web sites through its "Affiliate Network,"
including CNN Interactive, Disney, Lycos, and ZDNet. barnesandnoble.com
continues to bring bookselling innovation to the Internet. It was the
first online bookseller to offer deep discounts and the first to carry
an extensive inventory on its shelves. Currently, the company stocks
more than 600,000 titles in its state-of-the-art distribution center,
which is the largest standing inventory of any bookseller online.
About Barnes & Noble Inc.

Barnes & Noble Inc. operates 481 Barnes & Noble bookstores and 520 B.
Dalton bookstores. Barnes & Noble stores offer an authoritative
selection of more than 175,000 titles from more than 10,000 publishers
with an emphasis on small, independent publishers and university
presses. The company also publishes books under the Barnes & Noble
imprint for exclusive sale through its retail stores and nationwide
mail-order catalogs.

Note to Editors: WhoWhere? is a trademark of Whowhere? Inc.

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CONTACT: WhoWhere? Inc.

Kim Meeks, 650/938-4400 ext. 270

kim@whowhere.com

or

barnesandnoble.com

Ben Boyd, 212/414-6014

bboyd@bnweb.com

or

Technology Solutions, Inc.

Rick Loughery, 408/280-6000 ext. 201

rick.loughery@mailcity.com

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To: John May who wrote (4478)5/19/1998 9:19:00 AM
From: Gary Korn  Respond to of 164684
 
[For innovation] one need look no further than Amazon's Associates Program - a network to 30,000 sites that sell books using Amazon as their vendor along with the information they provide or other products they sell.

John,

Good point. Sort of like the Avon ladies, Mary Kay and such. Barnes & Noble copied it with their Affiliates program.

Gary Korn.



To: John May who wrote (4478)5/19/1998 9:33:00 AM
From: Oeconomicus  Respond to of 164684
 
One need look no further than Amazon's Associates Program - a network to 30,000 sites...

OK, so they're not a catalog company - they're Amway. Oops, don't you have to pay to become an Amway "associate"? And, doesn't Amway make money?

Seriously, John, is this "Associates Program" the "innovation" you see that justifies a $2bn+ market cap? Paying a bounty for customer referrals? BTW, doesn't BKS have a similar program?

Innovative? Sure, innovative ways to generate excitement about a losing business proposition; innovative ways to generate staggering investment returns for early investors on the backs of the public without ever demonstrating that the underlying business concept can ever produce a profit. Hey, innovation is innovation.

Bob