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To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (15944)	5/19/1998 1:47:00 PM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Ann ! >>>>>Loving discipline is necessary. Smiles & laughter accomplish this in a much more effective way than sanctimonious sermons. Keep it simple. Teach a child to love her/his fellow humans and to treat them the same way she/he wishes to be treated. The good results parents want to accomplish will automatically follow. We'll then have happy, productive human beings instead of confused, bible passage ruminators.<<<<<<< The 'problem' eerrrrrr..road block, I see with your "child is a clean slate perfect creature" thesis is look who disciplines, and teaches and loves them, we do right. Yes, the bible gives guidelines about the proper way to raise children; but is that what you think the bible is all about. I have two older children both college educated, productive, law abiders, loving parents, fun, fulfilled; I've been a Christian for 30 years, took them to church, and have a small child I am raising now, just like I raised the first two. Forget the sermons,pummeling with messages of unworthiness; not my children! They are going to get enough of that from Christian bashers like you , tempters, takes a village to raise a child, systemic educators, common bond, do it our way or no way mentality . To listen to you, you are the minority, aggrieved party, but I keep reminding myself the world would not hate me unless it first hated Christ. Looking at it from my side of the fence, I see hidden agendas, sneers, discrimination, lost opportunities, worldly disadvantages, collusion, conspiracy, bad taste, bad jokes, profane language, a world that takes God 's name in vain( ever wondered why the common phrase isn't Christ D*)( I'll tell you !! it's because the world hates GOD** for sending Christ into the world) and the list goes. I'll stop here.. you've already said you don't like sermons!!!!!!

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (15944)	5/20/1998 10:51:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Greetings Ann, First, thank you for your response and sorry for the delay in responding to same. What I am saying Ann, is that all mankind is born with a nature which is in rebellion to Almighy God. The Bible calls this quality inherent in all " sin ". One of the best words I have found to describe this nature is " selfishness ". If we are truly honest with ourselves, we will have to admit that we all portray to different degrees this character flaw. Whether one is totally overtaken by this " selfishness" or just occasionally, bottom line is, " ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD". That includes you and me Ann. I have acknowledged my sin, and by the grace of God have received " Eternal life " through my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. We have become partakers of the " tree of knowledge of good and evil" genetically from our original parents Adam and Eve. We have many good intentions of doing " good" but most times we lean toward doing " evil", or " looking out for number ONE ". ( Selfishness). Most everday people have formed in thier minds some " standard " of moral behaviour to live by. The standard set by Almighty God for mankind is His Son, Jesus Christ. You are quite correct in your observations that the new-born baby does not exhibit anything evil, but rest assured Ann, this " selfishness " will raise its ugly head before much time has elapsed in this childs life .We do not have to teach a child how to do bad things, that comes naturally, We spend most of our time trying to teach them what is right according to the standard one lives by. Ann , Please carefully consider my attempt to explain this fallen nature we all have and in the quietness of your heart and mind, consider if it could be possible that you to see this flaw with-in yourself. Should you agree that you do Ann, God, the Holy Spirit is helping you to see your sin and your desperate need to receive Gods Salvation, that is " new birth " from the Lord Jesus Christ. May the grace of the Eternal Father through the Lord Jesus Christ cause you to begin to see your true condition and repent and believe the " Good News ". Robert