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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (19462)	5/19/1998 5:48:00 PM
From: J. P.	Respond to of 24154

<Is the vendor with the fastest, most compatible java engine going to be the one providing the ultimate platform?> Should be. But for all their lip service, Sun, HP, Netscape and the rest won't create an open system because they all want to keep it to themselves and create their own Microsoft. Anyways I think somehow eventually the browser itself will become the OS. We will pop all our applications off the browser and the internet and the intranet will be seamless. Thus Microsoft's leading us down the path with this cyborg half browser half OS Windows 98.

To: Andy Thomas who wrote (19462)	5/19/1998 6:32:00 PM
From: Justin Banks	Respond to of 24154

Andy - <troll, troll, troll, snipped, but responded to anyway...> but when you learn on a dos machine in college the mac looks like an artiste's computer. Nobody with a technical degree learned anything much on a dos machine in college, AFAIK. it's true too that a competitor could replace windows in a day... if they could come up with something a lot better that had a great api set which they released....maybe whatever it is would be so good that releasing the apis wouldn't even be necessary, depending upon what this product were to be.... Been done. Whether or not it's sufficient to win the market share needed has yet to be seen. Based on some personal experience with MSFT, they're pretty afraid of the open source thing, though. MSFT should be free to put any and every app into their os Until they can change the defintion of the OS that's taught in OS classes? Get real. An app is an app is an app. Just because you call it 'integrated' and link against libWin32KernelBigHackToKeepMarketShare.a doesn't make it part of the OS, you know. Myself, i think the best model would be if the os were modularized, and the user could go to an internet site and download whatever modules they wanted, by whatever vendor. As opposed to your previous thought that MSFT should put anything/everything into the OS? -justinb

To: Andy Thomas who wrote (19462)	5/19/1998 8:34:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

MSFT should be free to put any and every app into their os, and until there is something better which the OEMs can opt for, or until the desktop computing model is replace by this yet unknown new product (the one which could replace windows overnight), the app vendors and oems can deal with it. The oems can't be hurting that badly to have gone along with this for so long. A concise statement of the "ham sandwich defense", followed by a bunch of stuff I can't quite parse. Of course, the "ham sandwich defense" is inappropriate in this context, as IE isn't a bundled app, it's "integrated". I get confused too, though. For some government lawyer to be deciding how the computer industry should be run is assinine. Well, assinine (sic) is as assinine does. The question of remedies is hypothetical at this point. Personally, I find the idea that the success of "Standard Microsoft business practice" somehow invalidates antitrust law somewhat curious. I also find the idea that whatever Microsoft throws into the OS distribution is "what the customer wants" or "what the market has chosen" curious. Everyone will buy the current Windows or NT, no matter what, because there's a lot of software for it. In the current context, Bill says most of it isn't Microsoft software, but I imagine he has plans to change that. If pressed, I'll dig up the Microsoftese definition of what's fair, outside of the current context of course. Cheers, Dan.