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To: epicure who wrote (21831)	5/21/1998 5:20:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Interesting idea. Two kinds of freedom - "freedom to" do something and "freedom from" some undesirable situation. Fred must know the right adjectives; for now I'll clumsily call them "active" and "passive" freedoms. I think that these two kinds of freedom operate in opposition to each other. The trick lies in finding the balance, the optimal tradeoff between the two. After all, maximizing passive freedom, e.g. from violence or economic hardship, necessitates reining in active freedoms, e.g. the carry of weapons or freedom from taxation. So a truly free society is a chimera, a pipedream of utopia in which there is an unspoken convention between all participants to avoid bad behavior, even if such conveys immediate personal benefit. The challenge lies in putting together the least un-free society, especially when no selection is allowed of who's a citizen. Rome, at least, set express standards for citizenship. Then again, so did Soviet Moscow. Snort.

To: epicure who wrote (21831)	5/22/1998 12:15:00 AM
From: Father Terrence	Respond to of 108807

X: You are correct, but this is still a free society you describe, it just respects the rights and property of free men and women (which the U.S. government has strayed from over the past decades). But for a society to remain free there can be NO tolerance of government intrusion in individual's private lives, no legislating morality, no social programs pitting one group of individuals against another, and no robber philosophy that legalizes enforced theft from individuals. FT