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To: Grainne who wrote (21858)	5/22/1998 9:33:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

I do think there probably is a correlation. I was much more abstractly ideal in my ideas until I had children. Once I had children it became much more important to me that the world should be a kind and altruistic place. Because anyone with children knows that they cannot be with them 100% of the time. And when you are not with your children what kind of world do you want them in? I want my children in a world where people are not so angry about resources that my children will be in danger- and I am willing to pay the price for that. I am even willing to pay a little bit more and try to help people educate themselves so that they can have meaningful lives and be happy. Ayn Rand didn't have children, never even married did she? Just had a long term affair? I think she must have been a frustrated and lonely old woman trying to justify her own existence with her cold and lonely philosophy. As I believe in biological destiny to a certain extent, I think the urge to partner, and to procreate are paramount in humans. Odd things happen to people who cannot reproduce themselves- you can see the psychological effects in the reproductive health area, where desperate people spend thousands to try to have children. As we both know women are more prone to try every options than are men. So I would hardly trust the world view of so eccentric and socially abnormal woman as Ayn Rand. I don't believe FT has children either, and therefore I would guess we will never see eye to eye. Some things cannot be explained, and the tenderness and love a child makes you feel, as well as the overwhelming urge to protect, is a force in me that defies my description.

To: Grainne who wrote (21858)	5/22/1998 5:32:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

C: So let me get this straight, you and X think legalized theft and the threat of jail or worse if you don't "freely" hand over some of your wealth to those who have done nothing to earn it -- in effect a trade of value for that which is valueless -- is okay, because you advocate a blackmail type society where if you don't willingly transfer some of your value to the valueless they will steal, kidnap or murder. Hmmmm... is this your idea of Man? Father Terrence