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To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (16167)	5/22/1998 5:06:00 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 39621

Mighty convenient to get to come back and have another go at it, is it not? That would lead alot of folks to thinking that it does not matter if they live like hell because there ain't one? Satan would (and does) love men to think such a lie would he not? A time for everything,,,,,,, dan

To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (16167)	5/22/1998 5:37:00 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Sam, Haven't read the ongoing discussion here. Just checked in to let ya know that some of your research & remarks in the past wk sent me to the Encyclopedia Britannica looking for some facts, verification, etc. The first item was your assertion that Rome made Christianity the state religion. This was news to me. I'd been taught in school that the Romans persecuted J.C. You are right, but it wasn't until Constantine's reign, the Edict of Milan in A.D. 3l4 is when it happened. In that document he recognized christianity as a legal religion, and by the end of the 4th Century, it was the state region of the Roman Empire. Second item was your statement that J.C. was a fictional figure. I'd never heard this before. It really had me curious to find the Brittanica's opinion. They state: "Jesus of Nazareth was born in Judaea @ 6BC(how could he be born 6 yrs before his birth??<ggg> & died by crucifixion about AD 30." Will continue in next post.

To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (16167)	5/22/1998 5:56:00 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Cont'd from Brittanica: "Because of the theological motifs & presuppositions in the faith of the early church in respect to Jesus, it is difficult to write with certainty an authentic life of Jesus." None of the sources of his life & work can be traced to Jesus himself; he did not leave a single known written word. Also, there are no contemporary accounts written of life & death. What can be established about the historical Jesus depends almost without exception on christian traditions, especially on the material used in the composition of the gospels of Mark, Matthew & Luke which reflect the outlook of the later church & its faith in Jesus." Then they cited a few non-christian sources: 1)"Jesus was mentioned by Roman Historian Tacitus written @ AD110. In his account of the persecution of Christians under the emperor Nero..." 2)an enquiry of the governor of Asia Minor, Pliny the Younger, in his letter to the emperor Trajan(ADlll) about how he should act in regard to the christians comes from the same period. 3)Josephus, the Jewish historian depicted the history of his people & the events of the Jewish Roman War(66-70)only incidentally remarks about the stoning in AD62 of "James, the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ...." "These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Jesus never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries. What d'ya think of that, Sam? ;O)Looking forward to your answer. Ann