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To: mark silvers who wrote (16675)	5/29/1998 9:48:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

><>...Good evening again Mark and thank you for your honest reply. You state; The abortion issue is a very complicated issue with many persuasive and intelligent people on both sides of the issue. Mark it is not complicated at all, although we are led to believe by the spin masters, that it is oh soooo very complicated. The fact of the matter is simple. Abortions are intended to kill an unborn child, there is no other way around it. It doesn't take, even a border line intelligent person, to figure out that abortion is just legalized murder, pure and simple. And does it matter how many supposedly intelligent people argue that it is ok to murder an unborn child? Do you also believe that it is an intelligent decision to permit a minor to be taken across state lines to have an abortion without her parents permission, but in that same state that same teenager would have to suffer through her classes at school because the authorities cannot give her an aspirin for her toothache? Mark do you realize how many children in a year die in abortion clinics? I am not talking about the unborn children that are aborted, I am talking about those children having the abortions. Have you ever seen any recorded stats on the butchery that takes place in legalized, supported with your tax money, clinics? And we are told by these left wing intelligent people that if we don't legalize abortions that these young girls and women will go to back alley butchers. If these same people that say they care so much about preventing any harm from coming to the mother of the unborn child, really did care, they would support in every way possible to bring that unborn child into this world and into the home of parents who would love and nurture the baby instead of supporting clinics that murder the child and throw its remains in an incinerator, or the nearest dumpster. How can anyone, intelligent or otherwise, say to one , I care about you, I don't want you to go to a back alley butcher, and possibly be harmed, while they are getting ready to murder their unborn child? Mark you also stated; It appears to me that passage is not talking about accidental abortion, but the intentional harm of a child through malicious physical action. Just the opposite Mark. There was no intention on the part of either man to harm the child or mother. But because of their carelessness and fighting with one another in the presence of a pregnant woman, the child is harmed. And that is the point. That the innocent child died because of someone's carelessness, even though no harm was intended to come to the child. That is an accidental abortion. Abortion is defined as " a fatally premature expulsion from the womb of an unborn child. 1.This can be either intentionally induced,...your run of the mill clinical abortion. Or 2. accidentally induced..., such as some form of trauma to the mother,two or more people fighting in her presence, and one unintentionally harms her and her child. Or 3. induced by some malformation in growth of child,due to chemicals or some other unknown. The last two are also known clinically as, spontaneous abortions or more commonly termed miscarriage. It appears to me that passage is not talking about accidental abortion, but the intentional harm of a child through malicious physical action. Now you may claim that abortion is just that. many will claim otherwise. Neither side can claim factual proof when the issue is so hotly contested. Besides, there is a difference of intent between a man physically harmmng a pregnant women and abortion. Regardless of your thoughts, the parties involved are not intending harm, they are intending to make the best of a bad situation. That is a major difference in my opinion. That is exactly what abortion clinics are set up to do Mark. To take the life of an unborn child. Plain and simple. To to stop their hearts from beating, to snuff the life out of them. To cause a fatally premature expulsion of an unborn child from the womb of its mother. The bad situation Mark is the fact that unborn children are being murdered at a rate of 1 million per year. Mark that was a soul that God intended to be born. And at the hands of people who say they care about life, was intentionally murdered. As a nation we have stated, by legalizing the murder of the unborn child, that we do not put much value on life at all. Pretty sad, pretty sad. By the way Mark, many non Christians also see abortion as nothing more than murder. For a civilized society we have become very uncivilized. And now partial birth abortions! What next? Have you heard about the two intelligent expert professors from two diff. universities, who wrote papers concerning the killing of born babies. For instance the teenager who gave birth at her prom and threw the baby in the garbage pail of the ladies room. What a dreadful bunch of intelligent people we are turning out. The good news though Mark is, that God is all forgiving and all patient,and all loving, He is just waiting for all those involved to ask for forgiveness with all their heart and all their soul. Mark I know it was a fairly long post, sorry about that, I made it as concise as I possibly could. Have a good weekend Shalom...><>